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TrumpedUpVol said:
That's kind of the point, right? There's plenty of animus in this country as it stands, but we're kind of stuck in this collectively. What's the sense in pearl clutching and feigning concern for all of the people who aren't our problem when dealing with our actual problems is already so taxing?

You fell for a sob story, plain and simple.
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Negative. Fine with the deportation. Fine with the mom taking the sick kid.

Be consistent and apply that logic to kids that aren't yours. Hiding behind the guise of American citizenship is a limpdick move.

Basically, if you're going to be a piece of ****, then be a piece of ****
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
That's kind of the point, right? There's plenty of animus in this country as it stands, but we're kind of stuck in this collectively. What's the sense in pearl clutching and feigning concern for all of the people who aren't our problem when dealing with our actual problems is already so taxing?

You fell for a sob story, plain and simple.
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Liberals cheered when a machine gun & camera was shoved in the face of Elian Gonzalez.
 
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volfanhill said:
I figure a guy who hates Obama isn't going to give him credit for work he didn't do.
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That’s fair.
Unless he’s trying to downplay a perceived negative from his guy. Obama did do a lot of things that we’re not regularly reported and his people would not have liked.

I’m going with close enough to not look up. lol
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Negative. Fine with the deportation. Fine with the mom taking the sick kid.

Be consistent and apply that logic to kids that aren't yours. Hiding behind the guise of American citizenship is a limpdick move.

Basically, if you're going to be a piece of ****, then be a piece of ****
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No, you're the only one here who seems to want to treat everyone the exact same. I value American citizens, and not the birthright kind, over non-citizens. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
No, you're the only one here who seems to want to treat everyone the exact same. I value American citizens, and not the birthright kind, over non-citizens. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Because it is so wildly devoid of logic.

What makes you different from a birthright baby, in terms of citizenship? It falls under the exact same legal status. What makes you more American than them?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Because it is so wildly devoid of logic.

What makes you different from a birthright baby, in terms of citizenship? It falls under the exact same legal status. What makes you more American than them?
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My parents belong here. I'm inherently more American than someone with illegal parents, let alone someone who is here illegally. Similarly, I value Americans over non-Americans ten times out of ten.

It's a shame that you don't, frankly.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
That's kind of the point, right? There's plenty of animus in this country as it stands, but we're kind of stuck in this collectively. What's the sense in pearl clutching and feigning concern for all of the people who aren't our problem when dealing with our actual problems is already so taxing?

You fell for a sob story, plain and simple.
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@DinkinFlicka makes a good point that we can be for closed borders and deportations without being ********. We can acknowledge that the gov't didn't necessarily do anything wrong, but a baby cancer patient is still sad, and it's a doojie move to just callously say "**** that cancer-ridden baby". There is a level of humanity that is beneficial to keep in these discussions, and you seem to have lost it.

* I'm taking his word for it that that's what you said, btw.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That particular article didn't provide the full post, but he did say it. This article from mediaite has the full Truth Social post in its entirety :

www.mediaite.com

Trump Torches ‘Fake News’ Pollsters – Including Fox News – and Demands ‘ELECTION FRAUD’ Probe: ‘THEY ARE SICK’

Trump went scorched earth on “fake news” pollsters Monday, throwing even Fox News into the mix after a series of brutal polls showed a low approval rating.
www.mediaite.com www.mediaite.com

His first post includes this gem :

"These people should be investigated for ELECTION FRAUD, and add in the FoxNews pollster while you're at it." - Donald Trump
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Thank you. Still poor journalism on their part. If you make a claim, you should provide the relevant quote to the claim.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Where? TrumpedUpVol said "**** that kid and **** his illegal mother," so I'm asking why they are lesser people?

Most Americans hate half of other Americans. Why do we pretend to put our citizenship on a pedestal?
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Not sure we should use Trumpedupvol as our standard for anything, ever. Especially not as a stand in for “most Americans”
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
No, you're the only one here who seems to want to treat everyone the exact same. I value American citizens, and not the birthright kind, over non-citizens. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Because of how the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is written.

The Citizenship Clause guarantees birthright citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction. Those children are subject to being prosecuted if they commit crimes later in life. We can and do prosecute undocumented immigrants for crimes, as well as the children of undocumented immigrants who commit crimes on American soil. Their status does not grant them immunity. That assumes that they are not excluded from U.S. jurisdiction by diplomatic immunity or Native American protections.

This principle was confirmed by the 1898 Supreme Court case of the United States v. Wong Kim Ark, which clarified that children born in the U.S. to immigrant parents are citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside regardless of their parent's immigration status.

Now, this can be changed, but it will have to be done by way of a Constitutional Amendment. An executive order will not be sufficient.
 
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Out of all the executive orders that Donald Trump has ever signed, his executive order ending birthright citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants is the most glaring example of executive overreach, and the most blatantly Unconstitutional.

It's exactly the sort of executive order that he used to be critical of Barack Obama for. It is a Presidential attempt to circumvent the long established process for amending the United States Constitution. If it can be done with one stroke of a pen, by one person, then our Constitution isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
My parents belong here. I'm inherently more American than someone with illegal parents, let alone someone who is here illegally. Similarly, I value Americans over non-Americans ten times out of ten.

It's a shame that you don't, frankly.
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LOL.

Sorry, but you don't get to define what constitutes American citizenship. We have a Constitution which does that.
 
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Barack Obama tried to circumvent the Constitutional Amendment process with executive orders which severely undercut 2nd Amendment rights. Republicans, including Donald Trump, were justifiably outraged by this. However, they now remain silent on Trump's attempt to unilaterally end birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. It's hypocrisy overload.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
My parents belong here. I'm inherently more American than someone with illegal parents, let alone someone who is here illegally. Similarly, I value Americans over non-Americans ten times out of ten.

It's a shame that you don't, frankly.
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Your argument doesn't hold up, per the constitution, but I'll play.

So, is that your deciding line? As long as your parents were citizens, that counts? Lol. Can you cite *anything* to add weight to your premise?

It would only be a "shame" if I claimed to be a nationalist douche canoe. People are people to me. I have the same inherent like or dislike for an American as I do for a Peruvian. Citizenship doesn't define anyone to me. Character does. And you, sir, are sorely lacking in that department far more than any Peruvian I've met.

I'd still piss on you if you were on fire, though. That's just the kind of stand up guy I am. Has less to do with what your passport says and more to do with just how awesome numero uno is.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Not sure we should use Trumpedupvol as our standard for anything, ever. Especially not as a stand in for “most Americans”
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Fortunately, he doesnt represent the majority of anything (well, aside from choosing the winner of the 4 year contest for "who should run the most powerful country on Earth" in 2016 and 2024).

However, I absolutely think there are millions like him who attach human value to citizenship. There's a difference between upholding immigration laws and thinking someone is lesser for being from somewhere else.
 
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evillawyer said:
Left or right, the swampiest thing I've ever heard of in DC. Straight up influence selling.

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LOL.

If Hunter Biden had been a part of something like this? I suspect that those on the right would be accusing him of peddling influence.

..... and that Winkelvoss name rings a bell. Aren't those the Facebook dorks who had a falling out with Zuckerberg?
 
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