Trade Wars and Tariffs

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
You’re giving too much credit to Trump for the volatility. Markets were historically way overvalued at an almost 30x multiple. Plus it’s been a while since the last correction after COVID reset the floor and equities have been appreciating off of it.

Earnings will drive US stocks higher. Lower interest rates and permanent tax relief will do that. Tariffs are just an excuse for markets to sell off.
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And you are dodging the blame he so obviously deserves for the last three weeks.

You can ALWAYS say when there is such a massive loss of wealth that, oh, we were due. That claim can never be disproven.

But here, in this case, we can easily trace discreet nosedives within minutes of goofy comments by him, or his staff. And then, when forced to backtrack, we can see at least some recovery.

At this point, the market sentiment is that it's simply not safe to make big deals. Big mergers are off. And the reason is lack of stability at the WH. This is undeniably true.
 
#3,677
#3,677
Thunder Good-Oil said:
My point is that there’s now an huge initiative to make the government accountable to the taxpayers. You’re the one that’s moving the goal posts by flexing that into Trump isn’t accountable for his actions or words.

Exactly what is the train wreck? He’s doing what he said he would.
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Not there's not. They've said they are going to but their current path is a lie. It's a partisan side show by people who don't seem to have a clue what they're doing.

What isn't a trainwreck? His foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy, he's not cutting spending or the size of govt, he's got clowns in his cabinet.

The only thing going better is the border but adjust didn't he do this in his first term? Of course he can't do that without running afoul of US law.

Which part of this did he say he was going to do?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Be specific. Stop generalizing. Or simply post “Orange Man bad”.
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Orange Man ain't "bad". He's priceless entertainment.

Flip flopping tariff policy
Alienating our allies
Siding with Russia at the UN with China and NK
Secretary of the Defense...high level incompetence
Most insane conflict of interest with Musk and DOGE
Intelligence agencies

Is that specific enough for you or do you want details in each bullet point
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m curious about what people think is so bad right now. Gas prices down. Inflation is flat …..regardless of the doom and gloom predicted……nothing has happened at the register. Market is on sale. I’m actually going to make out pretty good on this deal…..so what’s this train wreck I keep hearing about?


It’s not like 18% inflation in 3 years is it?
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You think these were actual policies of Trump? He meant to drive the market down so people could make more money later? How's the increase in govt spending going to help inflation?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m curious about what people think is so bad right now. Gas prices down. Inflation is flat …..regardless of the doom and gloom predicted……nothing has happened at the register. Market is on sale. I’m actually going to make out pretty good on this deal…..so what’s this train wreck I keep hearing about?


It’s not like 18% inflation in 3 years is it?
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My wallet isn't hurting either

The train wreck is the string of fack ups. Think about it. Our top intelligence officers looked like buffons and liars trying to explain the first Signal Chat screw up. This one is even worse with woefully dumb and incompetent Hegseth claiming it's a product of the Deep State. Our designated top trade negotiator had no idea Trump was going to flip flop on tariffs. We have no one who will confirm Russia invaded Ukraine in this loyalists administration. We facking voted with NK and China at the UN on Russia's behalf. The dumbass talked of making Canada a state. Changed the name of the Gulf of Mexico to America, unofficially. Threatening to invade Panama. Yeah, while we're at it, let's claim Greenland
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Orange Man ain't "bad". He's priceless entertainment.

Flip flopping tariff policy
Alienating our allies
Siding with Russia at the UN with China and NK
Secretary of the Defense...high level incompetence
Most insane conflict of interest with Musk and DOGE
Intelligence agencies

Is that specific enough for you or do you want details in each bullet point
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Gosh your butthurt
 
#3,690
#3,690
BernardKingGOAT said:
My wallet isn't hurting either

The train wreck is the string of fack ups. Think about it. Our top intelligence officers looked like buffons and liars trying to explain the first Signal Chat screw up. This one is even worse with woefully dumb and incompetent Hegseth claiming it's a product of the Deep State. Our designated top trade negotiator had no idea Trump was going to flip flop on tariffs. We have no one who will confirm Russia invaded Ukraine in this loyalists administration. We facking voted with NK and China at the UN on Russia's behalf. The dumbass talked of making Canada a state. Changed the name of the Gulf of Mexico to America, unofficially. Threatening to invade Panama. Yeah, while we're at it, let's claim Greenland
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So…..ssdd.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I simply asked a question
I was lead to believe we’re in a train wreck.
Explain this train wreck
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I'm watching my wife's company start their layoffs. One of the largest wholesalers in the construction area (you'd know them). It's not because they think things are going well

We're also getting goaded into a war we simply can't fight. This will likely be the end if we do
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
It's not an either/or, Pal. How about something in between. More often than not, there's always more than 2 options. It's not about extreme opposites
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The last 12 years have been this “train wreck “ we’re speaking of. There’s no difference in the way we manage to **** things up. So it now boils down to my narrow view of the world and how it affects me.

Ssdd
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm watching my wife's company start their layoffs. One of the largest wholesalers in the construction area (you'd know them). It's not because they think things are going well

We're also getting goaded into a war we simply can't fight. This will likely be the end if we do
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Yes the poorly positioned companies are taking a hit. The rest are expanding. The auto and tech plans have a lot of construction companies wondering where we’re going to find the manpower to complete all the work. Anyone laid off won’t be out of work for long. 1 week tops

I’m taking offers to get my industrial license back. Offers I didn’t ask for.

Construction is absolutely booming. It lifted off around November/December. Growth projections are crazy.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Yes the poorly positioned companies are taking a hit. The rest are expanding. The auto and tech plans have a lot of construction companies wondering where we’re going to find the manpower to complete all the work. Anyone laid off won’t be out of work for long. 1 week tops
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They're the largest in at least 3 separate areas. They aren't poorly positioned
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m curious about what people think is so bad right now. Gas prices down. Inflation is flat …..regardless of the doom and gloom predicted……nothing has happened at the register. Market is on sale. I’m actually going to make out pretty good on this deal…..so what’s this train wreck I keep hearing about?


It’s not like 18% inflation in 3 years is it?
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Tbf, I think we haven’t seen the bad yet because of the supply chain. I expect that to change in a couple weeks, regardless of a deal in that time or not.
 
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