Trump Ignores the Courts

[LouderVol]

I don't think I've denied that. I'm questioning that claim that the courts said that he is here "legally", which I've seen no indication of.

thats fair. I have said for a long time the guy is going to end up deported. but just because its going to happen doesn't mean the government gets to ignore the process to deport him.

 

[LSU-SIU]

thats fair. I have said for a long time the guy is going to end up deported. but just because its going to happen doesn't mean the government gets to ignore the process to deport him.

But they didn't, see AEA. There really isn't much of a process.

 

[Orange_Crush]

thats fair. I have said for a long time the guy is going to end up deported. but just because its going to happen doesn't mean the government gets to ignore the process to deport him.

I actually agree with you. See some of my more recent posts.

 

[LouderVol]

But they didn't, see AEA. There really isn't much of a process.

1. even on the AEA the SC court said they had to follow the process, because they didn't. they jumped between two processes. Started with immigration and then used AEA without going thru the AEA process. this has been pointed out ad nauseum.

2. AEA isn't immigration. and vise versa. Immigration laws result in deportation. AEA results in REMOVAL. you would know this if you actually read the law I have quoted and linked, but you continue to lie about.

the government is claiming to have DEPORTED him, that means immigration process. which wasn't completed. as noted by the SC
if the government wanted to REMOVE him per AEA, that means the AEA process. Which wasn't completed, as noted by the SC.

I am just making up percentages here but the government got 75% done with the Immigration process. then finished the last 25% with the AEA process. there is no LEGAL method of doing that. period, end of debate, Supreme Court says so. if they wanted to use the shorter AEA process, they should have started at the START of the AEA process, instead of starting AEA at mostly being done with immigration.

A deportation order, thru immigration, is not cause for removal under AEA. the cause for the deportation order may be cause for removal under AEA, but that still has to go thru the AEA process. but the deportation order alone doesn't meet the qualifications for AEA, which is why the Supreme Court noted the process.

 

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Supreme Court hearing arguments on birthright citizenship? This could be a game-changer. The decision could reshape immigration laws and set a new precedent. It’s about time we get clarity on this issue and decide what’s best for America’s future.

Supreme Court will review Trump's plan to ban birthright citizenship

The Supreme Court will hear the oral arguments on May 15.

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[LSU-SIU]

1. even on the AEA the SC court said they had to follow the process, because they didn't. they jumped between two processes. Started with immigration and then used AEA without going thru the AEA process. this has been pointed out ad nauseum.

Sure they should follow process, but at the point they were handling the injunction the court didn't have jurisdiction. Whether he was already to be determined to be illegal under immigration law is not material, see AEA.

YOU REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CASE AT ALL.... >>>>THE COURT LACKS JURISDICTION<<<<<.

In the immigration case, the court has jurisdiction of the underlying case but now lacks personal jurisdiction of the subject, and the prior order they had by and large the court doesn't have legal authority.

The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf
The Supreme Court in this case is only dealing with immigration process, the AEA ejection was already done and no habeas was filed. So, they can continue the process there but he has already been determined to be illegal in that process.

 

[SuzyVol]

He was sent there illegally according to the SC. It is our problem if our gov't sent him there illegally

It is debatable whether we can get El Salvador to give him back. I think we could tell them that we want him back but I don't think the Trump administration is doing that. Admittedly that is speculation on my part and not fact

Does anyone in this thread seriously believe El Salvador would refuse a request from President Trump to transfer Garcia to United States custody?

 

[just bob]

Does anyone in this thread seriously believe El Salvador would refuse a request from President Trump to transfer Garcia to United States custody?

You're asking the wrong question.

 

[SuzyVol]

You're asking the wrong question.

It's not a right question or a wrong question. It's a question. You may well have your own questions.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's not a right question or a wrong question. It's a question. You may well have your own questions.

The right question at this point is, will the U.S. contact the El Salvador government and ask them to put the terrorist in the parking lot so we can hit him with a Hellfire missile?

At this point, I would buy Trump lunch at McDonald's for week if he did it.

 

[LouderVol]

TrUmP wOnT gO aFteR aMeRiCaNs

Trump goes after Americans.

American doctor receives email from immigration officials telling her to leave the country immediately

Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.

www.nbcnews.com

"Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."

"after a Boston immigration attorney — who is also a U.S. citizen — received the same email from DHS, telling her to leave the country within seven days. The attorney, Nicole Micheroni, told MSNBC that as of Tuesday, federal officials had not followed up."

 

[LSU-SIU]

TrUmP wOnT gO aFteR aMeRiCaNs

Trump goes after Americans.

American doctor receives email from immigration officials telling her to leave the country immediately

Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.

www.nbcnews.com

"Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."

"after a Boston immigration attorney — who is also a U.S. citizen — received the same email from DHS, telling her to leave the country within seven days. The attorney, Nicole Micheroni, told MSNBC that as of Tuesday, federal officials had not followed up."

Just send her to a camp, she'll learn.

 

[Orange_Crush]

TrUmP wOnT gO aFteR aMeRiCaNs

Trump goes after Americans.

American doctor receives email from immigration officials telling her to leave the country immediately

Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.

www.nbcnews.com

"Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."

"after a Boston immigration attorney — who is also a U.S. citizen — received the same email from DHS, telling her to leave the country within seven days. The attorney, Nicole Micheroni, told MSNBC that as of Tuesday, federal officials had not followed up."

That looks like a complete misrepresentation of the article. The text states that it appears to be a mistake that would be remedied, and the DHS official says that they are targeting illegals, as opposed to citizens.

A senior DHS official told NBC News that the department has been issuing the notices to individuals who do not have lawful status to remain in the country.

"If a non-personal email — such as an American citizen contact — was provided by the alien, notices may have been sent to unintended recipients," the officials said. "CBP is monitoring communications and will address any issues on a case-by-case basis."

"To be clear: If you are an alien, being in the United States is a privilege — not a right," the officials added. "We are acting in the best interest of the country and enforcing the law accordingly."

 

[hog88]

TrUmP wOnT gO aFteR aMeRiCaNs

Trump goes after Americans.

American doctor receives email from immigration officials telling her to leave the country immediately

Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.

www.nbcnews.com

"Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."

"after a Boston immigration attorney — who is also a U.S. citizen — received the same email from DHS, telling her to leave the country within seven days. The attorney, Nicole Micheroni, told MSNBC that as of Tuesday, federal officials had not followed up."

Since when does the govt provide notice of anything like that by email? They should have put it up with the story.

 

[hog88]

That looks like a complete misrepresentation of the article. The text states that it appears to be a mistake that would be remedied, and the DHS official says that they are targeting illegals, as opposed to citizens.

They don't send official notices by email. It was a scam email like the ones going around from the "IRS" or your local sheriff about missing jury duty.

 

[just bob]

TrUmP wOnT gO aFteR aMeRiCaNs

Trump goes after Americans.

American doctor receives email from immigration officials telling her to leave the country immediately

Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.

www.nbcnews.com

"Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."

"after a Boston immigration attorney — who is also a U.S. citizen — received the same email from DHS, telling her to leave the country within seven days. The attorney, Nicole Micheroni, told MSNBC that as of Tuesday, federal officials had not followed up."

lmfao. I bet she gave money to the Nigerian prince.

 

[LouderVol]

That looks like a complete misrepresentation of the article. The text states that it appears to be a mistake that would be remedied, and the DHS official says that they are targeting illegals, as opposed to citizens.

A mistake? But you guys have already ruled thru AEA that there is no process. Best course is to deport her, and then maybe see about fixing the issue.

 

[LouderVol]

Since when does the govt provide notice of anything like that by email? They should have put it up with the story.

Why is a government official acknolwdging it as a problem, to be fixed, if it's just a scam?

This is why I have been raising a stink about the deportation and use of AEA. It's a procedural nightmare. The requirements for "notifying" someone are very broad, and don't require an arrest warrant, or warrant of any type to start the AEA process with summary removal from the states.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Why is a government official acknolwdging it as a problem, to be fixed, if it's just a scam?

This is why I have been raising a stink about the deportation and use of AEA. It's a procedural nightmare. The requirements for "notifying" someone are very broad, and don't require an arrest warrant, or warrant of any type to start the AEA process with summary removal from the states.

Technically any process can go wrong, following rules helps minimizing the risks. Humans are not perfect.

It's a procedural nightmare.

Its the opposite, as far as procedure its a cake to follow.

 

[hog88]

Why is a government official acknolwdging it as a problem, to be fixed, if it's just a scam?

This is why I have been raising a stink about the deportation and use of AEA. It's a procedural nightmare. The requirements for "notifying" someone are very broad, and don't require an arrest warrant, or warrant of any type to start the AEA process with summary removal from the states.

"If a non-personal email — such as an American citizen contact — was provided by the alien, notices may have been sent to unintended recipients," the officials said. "CBP is monitoring communications and will address any issues on a case-by-case basis."

I don't fully understand this quote from the article, looks like something was left out. I'll stand by my statement that this was not an official notice sent by DHS. If it was the author would have put it in the article.

 

[LouderVol]

Technically any process can go wrong, following rules helps minimizing the risks. Humans are not perfect.



Its the opposite, as far as procedure its a cake to follow.

unless AEA notice is sent to an American. and they are removed from the country before they see the inside of a court room. and then your argument is once they are out of the country, its too late, and there is nothing the government can do to fix it because we don't have jurisdiction.

thats a nightmare to me.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't fully understand this quote from the article, looks like something was left out. I'll stand by my statement that this was not an official notice sent by DHS. If it was the author would have put it in the article.

he acknowledges that notices may be sent out to the wrong people. he doesn't challenge that emails are used to send out these notices.

I get his point, if the illegal alien gives out an American's email as their own, it creates an issue, but its not going to be a unique issue to email. the illegal alien could easily give out someone else's address for a paper version of these notices. and at that point the government has done pretty much everything they have to before they can summarily remove a person from the country under AEA.

 

[LSU-SIU]

unless AEA notice is sent to an American. and they are removed from the country before they see the inside of a court room

They have potential remedy, see Trump v JGG. The issue was where there was irreparable harm i.e. Obama murdering Americans imo.

You're arguing the Law shouldn't be the Law but that is the Law.

At least we haven't let it get to the place where Habeas is suspended, its better to fix this now before it gets worse, imo.

 

[hog88]

he acknowledges that notices may be sent out to the wrong people. he doesn't challenge that emails are used to send out these notices.

I get his point, if the illegal alien gives out an American's email as their own, it creates an issue, but its not going to be a unique issue to email. the illegal alien could easily give out someone else's address for a paper version of these notices. and at that point the government has done pretty much everything they have to before they can summarily remove a person from the country under AEA.

I'm sure notices have been sent to the wrong people but I highly doubt any notices were sent by email.

 

[Orange_Crush]

A mistake? But you guys have already ruled thru AEA that there is no process. Best course is to deport her, and then maybe see about fixing the issue.

falsely attribute an argument to me as a distraction from the point? I'd assumed that you're better than that.