The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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I would just tell the court, last we heard he was in El Salvador from the government there, we don't plan on doing anything else.... go get'em if you want.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400.8.0.pdf
[T]he Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps.”
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If they want to be the executive branch, maybe they should go get'em. Seems logical.

(I would expect the government to move to the Supreme Court, 50/50 whether the Supreme Court gets involved again... I would file the above and let them figure it out)
 
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Vol8188 said:
I enjoy the “they never proved he was a gang member” claim.

As if there’s an MS-13 roster we can check on ESPN.
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Firstly I guess as a disclaimer whether or not he's involved with MS-13 doesn't seem to have much bearing on the crux of the issue, the debate about whether the Trump administration either purposefully or accidentally did not follow proper procedure. I think the supreme court's opinion is pretty clear that proper procedure was not followed.

With that out of the way I think if they're (the admin) gonna bring up his alleged ties to MS-13 they should at least say what evidence they have. Looking for a little more than wearing a Bulls jersey (I hear this is popular with the gangs now). I'm pretty sure I had a Jordan jersey at one time. Ay dios mio
 
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MercyPercy said:
Firstly I guess as a disclaimer whether or not he's involved with MS-13 doesn't seem to have much bearing on the crux of the issue, the debate about whether the Trump administration either purposefully or accidentally did not follow proper procedure. I think the supreme court's opinion is pretty clear that proper procedure was not followed.

With that out of the way I think if they're (the admin) gonna bring up his alleged ties to MS-13 they should at least say what evidence they have. Looking for a little more than wearing a Bulls jersey (I hear this is popular with the gangs now). I'm pretty sure I had a Jordan jersey at one time. Ay dios mio
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The Supreme Court doesn't address that he was removed via AEA, so its like ignoring that a different process was used.

The Supreme Court has generally said that the President has the ability to remove via AEA see Trump v J.G.G. (with additional cites there)
 
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MercyPercy said:
Firstly I guess as a disclaimer whether or not he's involved with MS-13 doesn't seem to have much bearing on the crux of the issue, the debate about whether the Trump administration either purposefully or accidentally did not follow proper procedure. I think the supreme court's opinion is pretty clear that proper procedure was not followed.

With that out of the way I think if they're (the admin) gonna bring up his alleged ties to MS-13 they should at least say what evidence they have. Looking for a little more than wearing a Bulls jersey (I hear this is popular with the gangs now). I'm pretty sure I had a Jordan jersey at one time. Ay dios mio
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MercyPercy said:
Firstly I guess as a disclaimer whether or not he's involved with MS-13 doesn't seem to have much bearing on the crux of the issue, the debate about whether the Trump administration either purposefully or accidentally did not follow proper procedure. I think the supreme court's opinion is pretty clear that proper procedure was not followed.

With that out of the way I think if they're (the admin) gonna bring up his alleged ties to MS-13 they should at least say what evidence they have. Looking for a little more than wearing a Bulls jersey (I hear this is popular with the gangs now). I'm pretty sure I had a Jordan jersey at one time. Ay dios mio
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That’s not the evidence. I’ve posted it before. He was with a group of known gang members and wearing gang apparel.

Idk how you’re unaware of this, but sports attire is commonly worn by gang members. If you saw a large group of men in Maryland wearing Bulls gear and all dressed alike, and the Bulls aren’t playing in DC that night, your mind should be asking questions.

If it’s not, you’re naive.
 
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hog88 said:
SCOTUS has said we need to facilitate his return.
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Isn't that the crux of the issue here? The SC said the lower court was correct to order the return be "facilitated", but remanded to the lower court on the issue of what the court meant when it ordered the admin to "effectuate" the return.

Both were ordered. SC upheld the "facilitate," and said the lower court may have overstepped on ordering "effectuate."
So the SC at least recognizes there is a difference in the two things the lower court ordered.

In the light of that ambiguity, aren't the courts doing what they should do, going through their process to define terms and apply the law? And, in the light of the ambiguity, is the Admin conclusively wrong to interpret the ambiguity the way they want it to be interpreted? That seems to be the way these disputes have been settled for centuries now.

I don't think we have a "constitutional crisis" until we know exactly what is ordered, and the SC weighs in on whether that order was appropriate. Once defined, and ordered, if Trump Admin refuses to do what is ordered, well, then we can talk constitutional crisis. But we aren't there yet.

My biggest complaint with the Admin is that they never appealed the order that the illegal could not be returned to the country of his citizenship, effectively letting a US judge say the US must allow an illegal to stay in the US if no other country wants an illegal immigrant in their country. Seems a little absurd to me.
 
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Appeals Court Denies DOJ bid to block return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador prison​


Ruling upholds order for US to 'facilitate' return of deported Maryland illegal immigrant​

A federal appeals court on Thursday denied the Trump administration's emergency request to block a judge’s order requiring the U.S. government to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador with a violent criminal history and alleged gang ties, who was deported to the El Salvadoran mega prison "Terrorism Confinement Center" (CECOT) last month.

The ruling allows the lower court’s order to move forward for now.

The three-judge panel included Judge Harvie Wilkinson, appointed by President Ronald Reagan, along with Judges Robert King and Stephanie Thacker, appointed by Presidents Clinton and Obama, respectively.



www.foxnews.com

Appeals court denies DOJ bid to block return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador prison

A federal court rejected a DOJ bid to block the return of Maryland illegal immigrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador, warning the Trump administration must not override due process or rule of law.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not the evidence. I’ve posted it before. He was with a group of known gang members and wearing gang apparel.

Idk how you’re unaware of this, but sports attire is commonly worn by gang members. If you saw a large group of men in Maryland wearing Bulls gear and all dressed alike, and the Bulls aren’t playing in DC that night, your mind should be asking questions.

If it’s not, you’re naive.
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My mind may ask questions but my mind and its questions aren't enough evidence for me to convict someone in the court of law of being involved with criminal activity associated with the gang. Apparently the allegations did not stick when they were initially brought up.
 
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MercyPercy said:
My mind may ask questions but my mind and its questions aren't enough evidence for me to convict someone in the court of law of being involved with criminal activity associated with the gang. Apparently the allegations did not stick when they were initially brought up.
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You’re completely misunderstanding how any of this works. And being intentionally ignorant.

1. No one has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you’re a gang member.
2. Group of men all dressed alike, the others are known MS-13 members, guess what logic and reasons tells your about the man dressed like them and arrested with them? Obviously that as a South American in Maryland he just loves the Bulls, right?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re completely misunderstanding how any of this works. And being intentionally ignorant.

1. No one has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you’re a gang member.
2. Group of men all dressed alike, the others are known MS-13 members, guess what logic and reasons tells your about the man dressed like them and arrested with them? Obviously that as a South American in Maryland he just loves the Bulls, right?
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You're making it seem like it's obvious that he was criminally involved with the gang and a fact when it appears to be an allegation. That's all I'm saying. If it was as cut and dry as you said he would have been in jail here or deported back when it happened initially. Obviously there is still some doubt here unless they release something new.
 
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C-south said:
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Agreed. I would request ES to send him to Gitmo. There I would have an Immigration Judge waiting to review and clear the Withholding Order". Then send him back to ES that day for the evening meal. That way none of the loons of the left can be there to chant "Hey, hey, ho, ho, whatever, whatever, whatever." Then we can move on to the next "crisis".
 
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MercyPercy said:
You're making it seem like it's obvious that he was criminally involved with the gang and a fact when it appears to be an allegation. That's all I'm saying. If it was as cut and dry as you said he would have been in jail here or deported back when it happened initially. Obviously there is still some doubt here unless they release something new.
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When you get arrested with a group of gang members and you’re dressed in the same attire, it’s obvious to anyone paying attention.

He wasn’t deported then because it was the Biden administration. Not because of if he should or should not be.

Some doubt of what exactly? Alleged gang member, here illegally, accused of assaulting his wife (by his wife) who he didn’t marry until he was detained (yet already had children by).
 
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MercyPercy said:
You're making it seem like it's obvious that he was criminally involved with the gang and a fact when it appears to be an allegation. That's all I'm saying. If it was as cut and dry as you said he would have been in jail here or deported back when it happened initially. Obviously there is still some doubt here unless they release something new.
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At this point he is on foreign property the administration has made a determination that he is part of a terrorist group, further the immigration process has made a determination he is part of it, whether true or not... isn't very material.

Trump could send a drone with Hellfire missiles to take him out.

Whether he is a terrorist or a gang member or neither is not material, he is/was an illegal that has been removed.
 
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James Carville says Dems’ ‘Top Agenda’ needs to be Bringing Back Kilmar Abrego Garcia​


Democratic strategist James Carville said Wednesday the party’s “top agenda” needs to be focused on retrieving deported El Salvadoran Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

“People say, ‘Well, should we really fight on this turf or should we fight more on ordinary people?’ This we should fight on. You can’t pivot to an economic issue. This is why we think we’re a country,” Carville said on his “Politics War Room” podcast.

Carville alluded to the famous “First They Came for the Jews…” Holocaust poem and warned Democrats that they need to take a firm stance on this as soon as possible.

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Many Democrats have spoken out against Abrego Garcia’s deportation.

nypost.com

James Carville says Dems’ ‘top agenda’ needs to be bringing back Kilmar Abrego Garcia

El Salvadoran national Kilmar Abrego Garcia was deported by the Trump administration in March.
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Democrat Shri Thanedar Calls to Impeach Trump for Sending El Salvadoran Illegal Immigrant to Prison in El Salvador​


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A Democrat House member called on Wednesday to impeach President Donald Trump over his administration’s handling of a Supreme Court decision from earlier this month ordering the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a man in the United States illegally but who was mistakenly deported to a prison in El Salvador.

www.breitbart.com

Dem Calls to Impeach Trump For Not Following SCOTUS Ruling

A Democrat House member called to impeach Trump over his administration's handling of a Supreme Court decision from earlier this month ordering the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a man in the United States illegally but who was mistakenly deported to a prison in El Salvador.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
 
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