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Go Fight Win said:
Sure, but that is not a dire wolf. They cannot do de-extinction. They can tweak living animals (like china, germany, etc have been unethically doing for decades) to have primitive features. This company is going to make designer zoo animals. They will be isolated, lonely, and a shadow of their relatives. Real scientists support conservation. The company is misleading people (READ: investors, twitter, volnation) into believing they have this breakthrough in technology that can "bring back the extinct" when the harsh reality is we are losing hundreds of species every single day and little to nothing is being done about it. It's just another tech bro rug pull shill that will IPO in the billions and crash out a few years later when the inevitable happens: there is no market force dictating it's necessity. The unfortunate reality is something we don't want to face: human-made environmental forces are destroying our ecosystem faster than this company can make knock-offs to replace them.

Sorry to be grim, but lately these kinds of late stage things have been gutting me more than usual. Hard to ignore the fact that I don't see butterflies as much anymore... perhaps they will revive them next?
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I don't know, man. I watched this documentary once called Jurassic Park and I think they've got a handle on how to bring them back, they just don't know how to deal with them once they grow up.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
Sure, but that is not a dire wolf.
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But what if they were? Or, more accurately stated, when does this become a distinction without a difference? For our purposes let's just remove any particular company's involvement and run the thought experiment in question. I didn't dig deep into any of this yet (it's pretty fascinating stuff) but I did run across a reference that Dire and Gray wolves share 99.5% of their DNA. This is obviously a simplification but what if it was like this:

DW=A-C-G-T-T-C-G-A
GW=A-G-C-T-T-C-A-G
"modified" GW=A-C-G-T-T-C-G-A

Soooo...exactly what is it about that last one that "isn't" a Dire Wolf? Does the fact it was synthesized to be a DW preclude it being literally genetically indistinguishable from a sourced DW sample? It's actually almost more a philosophical question than scientific.

There was (may still be) this show on Netflix called Altered Carbon that I liked very much. (First season anyway, had enough people warn me off the 2nd I didn't bother) I won't give too much away in case anybody wants to watch but there's a scene where a guy gets cloned. He's a true duplicate, physically identical down to the last atom with 100% memory transfer. So...which one was the "real" one? For that matter how would one in that scenario claim either one wasn't real?

At SOME point (whether it's really this company or not isn't relevant, the tech IS coming regardless) we're going to be able to bring about animals (currently extinct or already with us) that are going to simply be indistinguishable from their examplars.
 
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hndog609 said:
But what if they were? Or, more accurately stated, when does this become a distinction without a difference? For our purposes let's just remove any particular company's involvement and run the thought experiment in question. I didn't dig deep into any of this yet (it's pretty fascinating stuff) but I did run across a reference that Dire and Gray wolves share 99.5% of their DNA. This is obviously a simplification but what if it was like this:

DW=A-C-G-T-T-C-G-A
GW=A-G-C-T-T-C-A-G
"modified" GW=A-C-G-T-T-C-G-A

Soooo...exactly what is it about that last one that "isn't" a Dire Wolf? Does the fact it was synthesized to be a DW preclude it being literally genetically indistinguishable from a sourced DW sample? It's actually almost more a philosophical question than scientific.

There was (may still be) this show on Netflix called Altered Carbon that I liked very much. (First season anyway, had enough people warn me off the 2nd I didn't bother) I won't give too much away in case anybody wants to watch but there's a scene where a guy gets cloned. He's a true duplicate, physically identical down to the last atom with 100% memory transfer. So...which one was the "real" one? For that matter how would one in that scenario claim either one wasn't real?

At SOME point (whether it's really this company or not isn't relevant, the tech IS coming regardless) we're going to be able to bring about animals (currently extinct or already with us) that are going to simply be indistinguishable from their examplars.
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I'd be interested in seeing the thylacine and how they make it. We know exactly what they look like, so we could easily tell what any differences are in the reproduction model.
 
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hndog609 said:
But what if they were? Or, more accurately stated, when does this become a distinction without a difference? For our purposes let's just remove any particular company's involvement and run the thought experiment in question. I didn't dig deep into any of this yet (it's pretty fascinating stuff) but I did run across a reference that Dire and Gray wolves share 99.5% of their DNA. This is obviously a simplification but what if it was like this:

DW=A-C-G-T-T-C-G-A
GW=A-G-C-T-T-C-A-G
"modified" GW=A-C-G-T-T-C-G-A

Soooo...exactly what is it about that last one that "isn't" a Dire Wolf? Does the fact it was synthesized to be a DW preclude it being literally genetically indistinguishable from a sourced DW sample? It's actually almost more a philosophical question than scientific.

There was (may still be) this show on Netflix called Altered Carbon that I liked very much. (First season anyway, had enough people warn me off the 2nd I didn't bother) I won't give too much away in case anybody wants to watch but there's a scene where a guy gets cloned. He's a true duplicate, physically identical down to the last atom with 100% memory transfer. So...which one was the "real" one? For that matter how would one in that scenario claim either one wasn't real?

At SOME point (whether it's really this company or not isn't relevant, the tech IS coming regardless) we're going to be able to bring about animals (currently extinct or already with us) that are going to simply be indistinguishable from their examplars.
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The reason it will never be is because there is no complete DNA. If these current Dire Wolves can reproduce their offspring will more than likely revert back to being Grey Wolves (forces mutations work this way)
 
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Rishvol said:
The reason it will never be is because there is no complete DNA. If these current Dire Wolves can reproduce their offspring will more than likely revert back to being Grey Wolves (forces mutations work this way)
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For the sake of the posited question what if it played out as presented? When does something that may not have "started" as X but indistinguishable in every way from X not equal X? (this really is a science meets philosophy thing)
 
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