Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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MoCo_Vol said:
Or...think about it like this how high is the floor when she's got a roster of 12 or more talent girls so when she's subbing there isn't as big of a drop off? But they all can play the chaotic system at a high level.

Women's basketball has a far smaller group of teams that can offer NIL funds and exposure. I'd say it's less than a dozen.

Men's basketball is far greater...not all of them can pay for a 5-8 man roster full of talent...but a team like BYU can afford to chase 3 guys...and you have some basketball only conferences like the Big East where their NIL priority is basketball.

I actually think Kim winning and using her style of play where 10 girls get 14+ minutes and playing in 30 plus games will be far more helpful in recruiting.
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Looks like she is gonna be a high level recruiter which is always a good thing. And it seems her development skills are pretty good as well. As with the Heupel hire, White knocked it out of the park with KC. I thought he cheaped out hiring her. I was thinking offer Mulkey a ton of money. Just goes to show I know nothing when it comes to hiring a coach.

I am very interested in the next two years when she really gets her system fully entrenched and gets the players she wants. I think the Lady Vols are going to be a serious national threat with KC at the helm.
 
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Kentucky might blow our doors off...who knows

But I will say watching this year's team has been a treat. I've seen them not only adjust game to game, but in games. Not sure what's different. Could be Barnes just trust these guys more or the players are willing to do whatever it takes to win or the talent is higher overall.

We worked UCLA over on both ends in that game. They tried to go big and we forced Mara to guard more pick and roll action and we also sped them up with the press and traps. Result was Mara was out of gas and became a liability.

Against Wofford Chaz was hot and we just ran everything through him they never really found a way to stop it. Shack also was aggressive in taking his shots which helped keep them from being able to clog the paint or help on Chaz.

Really think one of our bigs is due for a big game. Offensively...last time any of them scored double digits was Igor going for 12 against Texas.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Kentucky might blow our doors off...who knows

But I will say watching this year's team has been a treat. I've seen them not only adjust game to game, but in games. Not sure what's different. Could be Barnes just trust these guys more or the players are willing to do whatever it takes to win or the talent is higher overall.

We worked UCLA over on both ends in that game. They tried to go big and we forced Mara to guard more pick and roll action and we also sped them up with the press and traps. Result was Mara was out of gas and became a liability.

Against Wofford Chaz was hot and we just ran everything through him they never really found a way to stop it. Shack also was aggressive in taking his shots which helped keep them from being able to clog the paint or help on Chaz.

Really think one of our bigs is due for a big game. Offensively...last time any of them scored double digits was Igor going for 12 against Texas.
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I think our offensive ability is more balanced this year and it's paid off. Last year, you had Knecht that could give you 30-40 points on any given night, but then didn't know what you would get outside of him. This year, the scoring is more spread out. We still need Chaz to stay aggressive. He's playing his best ball of the season now imo.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Exactly.
Add Estrealla and drop Dubar, and I think you have as close to the perfect rotation as one is going to get.

I know people like 10 or more because of rest, but I've always thought it hurts guys and their rhythms.

Someone brought up the LV, and while they do sub an insane amount they still have 2 Cooper and Spencer who played 30 minutes which is a ton in that system.
It's mainly the bigs that Kim constantly runs in and out.
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She has 5 girls that all play 20 or more minutes, lately she's been keeping Coop and Spencer in for around 30 though. But the MPG is a bit skewed as well because of trying to learn her players, big blow outs, and injuries. She also tries to stagger it so that her weaker players aren't all on the court together at once.

It's been clear that Kim's best 5 are Spencer, Spear, Whitehorn, Cooper, Spearman but you almost never see those 5 together for a long stretch.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
She has 5 girls that all play 20 or more minutes, lately she's been keeping Coop and Spencer in for around 30 though. But the MPG is a bit skewed as well because of trying to learn her players, big blow outs, and injuries. She also tries to stagger it so that her weaker players aren't all on the court together at once.

It's been clear that Kim's best 5 are Spencer, Spear, Whitehorn, Cooper, Spearman but you almost never see those 5 together for a long stretch.
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I don't disagree, but she does a good job of keeping 2 or 3 on the court together pretty consistently.

Her system is why I don't think you can compare the two though, most teams don't do what they do
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Kentucky might blow our doors off...who knows

But I will say watching this year's team has been a treat. I've seen them not only adjust game to game, but in games. Not sure what's different. Could be Barnes just trust these guys more or the players are willing to do whatever it takes to win or the talent is higher overall.

We worked UCLA over on both ends in that game. They tried to go big and we forced Mara to guard more pick and roll action and we also sped them up with the press and traps. Result was Mara was out of gas and became a liability.

Against Wofford Chaz was hot and we just ran everything through him they never really found a way to stop it. Shack also was aggressive in taking his shots which helped keep them from being able to clog the paint or help on Chaz.

Really think one of our bigs is due for a big game. Offensively...last time any of them scored double digits was Igor going for 12 against Texas.
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Agreed. It has been a treat. With Igor, we should expect double digits in scoring. He's clearly a talented offensive performer, dribbles the ball well, and can shoot the three. I like him driving to the basket.
 
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SoilVol said:
An analyst said it somewhere. Barnes usually struggles the first few matchups against new coaches. But once he solves the puzzle it's lock-down (Nate Oats for example). I think the only coach he's consistently struggled with is Bruce (7-9 I think) and is about .500 with Cal. I think he lost the first matchup to both Oats and Pearl before going on multi-game win streaks against both.

Barnes and Gainey will have an answer defensively and scheming ways to get the guys open looks.
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I can’t remember specifics of what he said (I’m just a fan, not x’s & o’s person), but Pope made some comments in his post-game interview after 2nd game about how they handle our scheme. I hope our staff heard it.
 
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screenthis said:
Agreed. It has been a treat. With Igor, we should expect double digits in scoring. He's clearly a talented offensive performer, dribbles the ball well, and can shoot the three. I like him driving to the basket.
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That’s when he is the most dangerous imo. It he likes to shoot 3s. I mean it’s great when they drop. But I think if he could be more of a threat to drive inside, that’s better for him and also opens up the outside a little more.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Kentucky might blow our doors off...who knows

But I will say watching this year's team has been a treat. I've seen them not only adjust game to game, but in games. Not sure what's different. Could be Barnes just trust these guys more or the players are willing to do whatever it takes to win or the talent is higher overall.

We worked UCLA over on both ends in that game. They tried to go big and we forced Mara to guard more pick and roll action and we also sped them up with the press and traps. Result was Mara was out of gas and became a liability.

Against Wofford Chaz was hot and we just ran everything through him they never really found a way to stop it. Shack also was aggressive in taking his shots which helped keep them from being able to clog the paint or help on Chaz.

Really think one of our bigs is due for a big game. Offensively...last time any of them scored double digits was Igor going for 12 against Texas.
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I'm really not trying to be negative here, but this is where I stand...... not that anyone cares.

If UK is hitting shots, I don't think we can score with them. We have to get them out of their rhythm somehow.
 
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MemphisVol3 said:
I think our offensive ability is more balanced this year and it's paid off.
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I agree, we have 4 guards that can shoot as well as drive...but more importantly they all guard their butts off and will screen and use screens. Then you add 3 bigs that really play with a high motor and attack rebounds and blocks like Felix, Igor and Cade do and you can put teams in bad spots.

I mean we shot 66.7% from 3 against Missouri, but beat them by only taking 15 3 pointers. But then you get a team like Wofford who can't prevent the open 3s because they either foul or get beat and we shoot 28 of them and pull away in a comfortable win.

But we also can force the issue against a tight whistle like we saw against Auburn and go outshoot them on the FT line to win.

I really appreciate how much work and growth Gainey made from last year to this year... he's not a better offensive threat than Chaz and he's not a better defensive player than Mashack but he might be a better overall player than both of them and has no issue coming off the bench.
 
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screenthis said:
Agreed. It has been a treat. With Igor, we should expect double digits in scoring. He's clearly a talented offensive performer, dribbles the ball well, and can shoot the three. I like him driving to the basket.
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Strange comparison, but I think he's very similar to Julian Phillips. It's clear both have offensive talent...can shoot can drive and have great length but it's almost like each of them was so focused on doing all the other things Barnes expects they never really seemed to figure out how to do it all on a consistent level and each would be potential all SEC players with a 2nd year under Barnes.

Julian was also more limited with injuries and being just out of HS...but if ya look at both on paper based on production it's kind of crazy
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I'm really not trying to be negative here, but this is where I stand...... not that anyone cares.

If UK is hitting shots, I don't think we can score with them. We have to get them out of their rhythm somehow.
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What's wild is they just give up 3s...and had Illinois hit them at better than 28.1% we wouldn't be playing Kentucky.

Game 1 they simply couldn't miss... 50% FG & from deep...just a strange game to see Robinson, Brea and Almonor all 3 hot and they each hit at least 3 from outside.
Meanwhile same game we couldn't buy a bucket...we took 72 shots to their 50 but went 34.7% FG and 24.4% from deep...ZZ, Gainey, and Dubar all 3 took at least 7 from outside and none of them shot over 25%. First game I've seen us shoot ourselves out of it since Colorado in 22-23

Game 2 at Rupp we basically play a different team... no Robinson, but Carr and Butler are back they still shoot it lights out 50% FG and from deep again and we still can't buy a bucket from deep.


So the anomaly was really that in both games Kentucky shot so well AND we shot so bad.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
I can’t remember specifics of what he said (I’m just a fan, not x’s & o’s person), but Pope made some comments in his post-game interview after 2nd game about how they handle our scheme. I hope our staff heard it.
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I'm very elementary in my basketball knowledge. There's a lot that I don't know and I'm just getting to the point now where I can predict what we are trying to do, and see when a play is shut down by the defense.

I don't think we do anything too complicated. I don't think most teams are either. Defending in basketball is all about discipline, timing, and at times giving up the lowest percentage look you can it seems. Our defense works so well because of the age, athleticism and intelligence of our players. They're disciplined and they all are able to diagnose what our opponents are trying to do so we are a step ahead.

We get beat on the rare occasions when the opponent is lights out on low percentage looks, it takes us too long to diagnose a scheme and the opponent exploits mismatches and we shoot poorly, or the opponent has Zach Edey.

I doubt Pope revealed too much or something we didn't already know. They beat us because their guys stayed disciplined, executed the defense to our scheme, and exploited mismatches. They have the talent to do that. And they shot above their average twice.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
What's wild is they just give up 3s...and had Illinois hit them at better than 28.1% we wouldn't be playing Kentucky.

Game 1 they simply couldn't miss... 50% FG & from deep...just a strange game to see Robinson, Brea and Almonor all 3 hot and they each hit at least 3 from outside.
Meanwhile same game we couldn't buy a bucket...we took 72 shots to their 50 but went 34.7% FG and 24.4% from deep...ZZ, Gainey, and Dubar all 3 took at least 7 from outside and none of them shot over 25%. First game I've seen us shoot ourselves out of it since Colorado in 22-23

Game 2 at Rupp we basically play a different team... no Robinson, but Carr and Butler are back they still shoot it lights out 50% FG and from deep again and we still can't buy a bucket from deep.


So the anomaly was really that in both games Kentucky shot so well AND we shot so bad.
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That's what Illinois did though. They were one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the tournament. They came in at 30%
 
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barrylee said:
Haven’t been around much lately but have a weird question. People saying Plowman and Danny were congratulating LV’s yesterday, does Danny have a skin head now?

Whoever was with Donde yesterday had no hair whatsoever..
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Sorry if someone already answered you, but in the video that’s been posted White is across from Plowman, not beside her….you can see him toward the end.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
I can’t remember specifics of what he said (I’m just a fan, not x’s & o’s person), but Pope made some comments in his post-game interview after 2nd game about how they handle our scheme. I hope our staff heard it.
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I don't recall what he said after game two, but he said that they backed off from the three point line in game one because they dared us to shoot the 3. We shot like 45 of them.

He said it in general terms though, which was odd to me. If he meant just Mashak and Igor, then I could understand. But, I don't believe a coach is going to back off Chaz and Gainey. They went a combined 5-18 in that first game. ZZ went 1-11. Now, he may be trying to limit ZZ's drive game, but all 3 are shooting relatively well now, and they will not want to play totally off them.
 
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