Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's got 3 championships. But all 3 were with super teams where he should have won. And his failures in 2011 and 2014 with the Heat are finals losses I personally don't see Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant having. Kobe in 2008 beat the Spurs coming off a championship coming with just Pau Gasol. If he has D-Wade and Bosh I don't see him losing to an older Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, and young Kawhi. Plus we all know 2011 is the most inexcusable loss by a superstar in NBA history.
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Lol, despite using the "best stats" website around you don't even know that Lebron has won 4 championships?

Also considering Cleveland drafted Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love was in the nose dive of his career I'd hardly count the 2015-16 Cavs as a Super team.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Lol, despite using the "best stats" website around you don't even know that Lebron has won 4 championships?

Also considering Cleveland drafted Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love was in the nose dive of his career I'd hardly count the 2015-16 Cavs as a Super team.
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You don’t think love averaging 8 and 6 on 25 minutes in the finals is superstar level? 🤣
 
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Smokey123 said:
But yet… you said AD was the best player on the lakers championship while also saying bron was better in the finals. Alright
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No. AD was better all playoffs especially against the Western conference teams that had them down early in those series. The Heat were overmatched so it allowed Bron to stat pad his way to Finals MVP. So don't put words in my mouth. I never said Bron was better. Bron just put up better stats for one round. For the entire playoffs and regular season AD was the better player.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Jokic would dominante every player in NBA history based on analytics even Michael Jordan. He's the greatest statistical player in NBA history according to the advanced stats. It's why I don't use stats as the barometer for judging players. It would lead you to silly conclusions like Jokic being better than Jordan.

I only did that statistical comparison for the ignorant LeBron fans who are enamored by his stats when it benefits him but then ignore his stats when others are better.
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So does the fact that Denver having just 2 losing seasons since drafting Jokic, winning the only title in team history and making 2 conference Finals behind Jokic not mean anything?
 
#125,785
#125,785
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. AD was better all playoffs especially against the Western conference teams that had them down early in those series. The Heat were overmatched so it allowed Bron to stat pad his way to Finals MVP. So don't put words in my mouth. I never said Bron was better. Bron just put up better stats for one round. For the entire playoffs and regular season AD was the better player.
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You literally said “until lebron outplayed him in the finals” you also used stats for your reason AD was better that year…
 
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On the morning of February 4, 1974, a 19-year-old college student named Patty Hearst was kidnapped from her apartment in Berkeley, California by a group of armed men and women. This group of radical anarchist and extremist men and women from different walks of life called themselves the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA). The SLA was attempting to instigate a guerrilla war against the U.S. government and had already shot two Oakland school officials, killing one and wounding the other.

The SLA knew that Hearst was from a wealthy, powerful family, and sure enough, the kidnapping made front-page national news and captured the interest of the American people.

The SLA began releasing audiotapes demanding money and food in exchange for Hearst’s release. In April 1974, the SLA released a tape in which Hearst claimed to have joined the SLA’s fight against the U.S. government herself. Days later, Hearst was caught on camera participating in a bank robbery with the SLA.

Hearst and other SLA members went into hiding and were on the run until September 18, 1975, when FBI agents caught up with Hearst. She was charged with bank robbery along with other crimes and was found guilty and sentenced to seven years in prison. President Carter commuted Hearst’s sentence after two years, and she was later pardoned.

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knoxvol52 said:
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Robert Plant says "hold my case of beer".

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MoCo_Vol said:
Also considering Cleveland drafted Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love was in the nose dive of his career I'd hardly count the 2015-16 Cavs as a Super team.
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OKC with Durant, Harden, and Russ were a super team despite all 3 being drafted by the team. I don't define superteams by how they are constructed. I define it based on the talent level on the team.

With regard to Kevin Love. In the season immediately preceding joining the Cavs he averaged 26.1 PPG and 12.5 RPG while being named 2nd team All-NBA. He was widely regarded as the best PF in the game and had some arguing he was a top 5 player in the league. Remember the Cavs had to trade #1 pick Andrew Wiggins to land Kevin Love. And Wiggins in 2014 was considered the best draft prospect since LeBron.

To say Kevin Love was in a nose dive is an absolute lie. He was considered a superstar when he arrived in Cleveland. Blame LeBron for turning him into a role player. He did it with Bosh in Miami. And then Love in Cleveland.
 
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Smokey123 said:
You don’t think love averaging 8 and 6 on 25 minutes in the finals is superstar level? 🤣
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Yeah, Kevin Love = HOF is probably the worst take I've seen in ages.

I'm not even a Lebron fan or anything...but he carried that Cavs team and it wasn't close to a "super team"

Kyrie = who they drafted
JR Smith = lol
Kevin Love = post 2012-13 season where he got injured and was never the same talent
Tristan Thompson = lol
Richard Jefferson = 35 and should've retired already

Yeah...and most those stats for Kevin Love came in game 1 where he scored 17 and had 13 rebounds in a loss by 15 at Golden State. After that he didn't score 12 points in a game again, didn't record 6 rebounds in a game again either and even missed game 3.

I mean that's probably the most legit title Lebron has...the 2nd best player was drafted & developed by the Cavs, no bubble season, and no crazy free agency moves to add a HOF talent to help carry him like AD did.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
OKC with Durant, Harden, and Russ were a super team despite all 3 being drafted by the team. I don't define superteams by how they are constructed. I define it based on the talent level on the team.

With regard to Kevin Love. In the season immediately preceding joining the Cavs he averaged 26.1 PPG and 12.5 RPG while being named 2nd team All-NBA. He was widely regarded as the best PF in the game and had some arguing he was a top 5 player in the league. Remember the Cavs had to trade #1 pick Andrew Wiggins to land Kevin Love. And Wiggins in 2014 was considered the best draft prospect since LeBron.

To say Kevin Love was in a nose dive is an absolute lie. He was considered a superstar when he arrived in Cleveland. Blame LeBron for turning him into a role player. He did it with Bosh in Miami. And then Love in Cleveland.
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Harden was not a superstar on OKC. He was coming off the bench and didn’t develop into elite until he left.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah, Kevin Love = HOF is probably the worst take I've seen in ages.

I'm not even a Lebron fan or anything...but he carried that Cavs team and it wasn't close to a "super team"

Kyrie = who they drafted
JR Smith = lol
Kevin Love = post 2012-13 season where he got injured and was never the same talent
Tristan Thompson = lol
Richard Jefferson = 35 and should've retired already

Yeah...and most those stats for Kevin Love came in game 1 where he scored 17 and had 13 rebounds in a loss by 15 at Golden State. After that he didn't score 12 points in a game again, didn't record 6 rebounds in a game again either and even missed game 3.

I mean that's probably the most legit title Lebron has...the 2nd best player was drafted & developed by the Cavs, no bubble season, and no crazy free agency moves to add a HOF talent to help carry him like AD did.
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D4H is using a lot of mental gymnastics just to contradict his arguments
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
OKC with Durant, Harden, and Russ were a super team despite all 3 being drafted by the team. I don't define superteams by how they are constructed. I define it based on the talent level on the team.

With regard to Kevin Love. In the season immediately preceding joining the Cavs he averaged 26.1 PPG and 12.5 RPG while being named 2nd team All-NBA. He was widely regarded as the best PF in the game and had some arguing he was a top 5 player in the league. Remember the Cavs had to trade #1 pick Andrew Wiggins to land Kevin Love. And Wiggins in 2014 was considered the best draft prospect since LeBron.

To say Kevin Love was in a nose dive is an absolute lie. He was considered a superstar when he arrived in Cleveland. Blame LeBron for turning him into a role player. He did it with Bosh in Miami. And then Love in Cleveland.
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Right, then he went a full ass season averaging 16.4 and 9.7 for Cavs before then having another role player type season the year they won the title.

They didn't get 26 & 12.5 Love at all, and they had 2 full seasons of proof with him as a Cav to know that going into those playoffs...

Still though Kevin Love isn't a HOF player.

Edit: Also Bosh's stats for ya...since despite using the best website to gather them you obviously didn't eye test that idiotic statement

at Raptors: 20.2 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.2 apg, 1.2 bpg, shooting 49.2% FG on 14.4 FGAs
at Miami: 18.0 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 1.8 apg, 0.9 bpg, shooting 49.6% FG on 13.6 FGAs

That included 2 full seasons after Lebron bolted...and in those 2 years Bosh was averaging over 20 ppg again like he did for the Raptors...

Kevin Love went from a 19.2 and 12.2 guy for the T-wolves to a 15.7 and 9.2 guy for the Cavs a far bigger dip in production
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
So does the fact that Denver having just 2 losing seasons since drafting Jokic, winning the only title in team history and making 2 conference Finals behind Jokic not mean anything?
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No it means a lot. Which is why I have him as a top 5 player despite his putrid defense. Jokic is so good offensively that even a guy like myself who values defense will give him props for how impactful he still is despite hurting his team on defense.

If Jokic played better defense the Nuggets would be dynasty like the 90s Bulls. That's how bad his defense is. He's leaving rings on the table because of how poorly he plays for 50% of the game. Just think of it this way. If he's that good statistically he should be winning more.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No it means a lot. Which is why I have him as a top 5 player despite his putrid defense. Jokic is so good offensively that even a guy like myself who values defense will give him props for how impactful he still is despite hurting his team on defense.

If Jokic played better defense the Nuggets would be dynasty like the 90s Bulls. That's how bad his defense is. He's leaving rings on the table because of how poorly he plays for 50% of the game. Just think of it this way. If he's that good statistically he should be winning more.
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Then why did AD have 5 losing season in Nola? I guess he’s just not that good of an all around player
 
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