Term Limits

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#76
hog88 said:
Term limits do nothing but limit the choices voters have.
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How? Congressman is leaving after 6 years , everyone in his district knows when his/her term ends. You don't think several people will run for a job that pays that much?
They will be a millionaire.
 
#77
#77
hog88 said:
IMO it would be better to make the job unattractive to people looking for a career.
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Terms limits would be one of those unattractive parts...and it would allow others to have a legit chance at election...a throws party intead of the uni party...it's also create a diversity of ideas by people be chosen for the policies ideas over party.
 
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hog88 said:
How would term limits change that?
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It wouldn't . Should we have kept Phil Fulmer forever? Because he had been there a long time and won a national championship once ? How about Derek Dooley ?Butch Jones? Jeremy Pruitt? Terrible leaders(Excluding Phil Fulmer , don't want that smoke), UT Football needed a change. Why should absolute swamp creatures remain in power , enriching themselves and doing more harm than good? They have become celebrities instead of servants.

I would rather roll the dice every few years. I agree make the job less attractive for career minded individuals.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
It wouldn't . Should we have kept Phil Fulmer forever? Because he had been there a long time and won a national championship once ? How about Derek Dooley ?Butch Jones? Jeremy Pruitt? Terrible leaders(Excluding Phil Fulmer , don't want that smoke), UT Football needed a change. Why should absolute swamp creatures remain in power , enriching themselves and doing more harm than good? They have become celebrities instead of servants.

I would rather roll the dice every few years. I agree make the job less attractive for career minded individuals.
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That's a Lutheresque comparison.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
We're feudin'

Errbody , Hog is a deep state plant and he smells of elderberries.
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I just don't like the .gov telling me I can't vote for someone I want representing me. Term limits would change none of the graft and corruption.
 
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www.heritage.org

Term Limits: The Only Way to Clean Up Congress

INTRODUCTION
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"It is difficult to overstate the extent to which term limits would change Congress. They are supported by large majorities of most American demographic groups; they are opposed primarily by incumbent politicians and the special interest groups which depend on them. Term limits would ameliorate many of America's most serious political problems by counterbalancing incumbent advantages, ensuring congressional turnover, securing independent congressional judgment, and reducing election-related incentives for wasteful government spending. Perhaps most important, Congress would acquire a sense of its own fragility and temporariness, possibly even coming to learn that it would acquire more legitimacy as an institution by doing better work on fewer tasks."

Key Takeaways​

Legislative resistance to term limits is in sharp contrast with private citizens' strong support for them.

The only serious opponents of term limits are incumbent politicians and the special interests -- particularly labor unions -- that support them.

Congressional term limits are a necessary corrective to inequalities which inevitably hinder challengers and aid incumbents.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
www.heritage.org

Term Limits: The Only Way to Clean Up Congress

INTRODUCTION
www.heritage.org www.heritage.org

"It is difficult to overstate the extent to which term limits would change Congress. They are supported by large majorities of most American demographic groups; they are opposed primarily by incumbent politicians and the special interest groups which depend on them. Term limits would ameliorate many of America's most serious political problems by counterbalancing incumbent advantages, ensuring congressional turnover, securing independent congressional judgment, and reducing election-related incentives for wasteful government spending. Perhaps most important, Congress would acquire a sense of its own fragility and temporariness, possibly even coming to learn that it would acquire more legitimacy as an institution by doing better work on fewer tasks."

Key Takeaways​

Legislative resistance to term limits is in sharp contrast with private citizens' strong support for them.

The only serious opponents of term limits are incumbent politicians and the special interests -- particularly labor unions -- that support them.

Congressional term limits are a necessary corrective to inequalities which inevitably hinder challengers and aid incumbents.
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Large majorities supported the 17th amendment and look how that's turned out. People are easily dupped.
 
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hog88 said:
I just don't like the .gov telling me I can't vote for someone I want representing me. Term limits would change none of the graft and corruption.
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How about some form of graduated election system based on how long you have been in office?

First how ever many terms, the rules stay the same. After the "limit" you have to reach certain increasing thresholds to be elected.

You start with just having to have more than your opponent.
Then you have to have a majority after
your second term.
After your third you can only win if you reach 55%.
So on and so forth.
 
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LouderVol said:
How about some form of graduated election system based on how long you have been in office?

First how ever many terms, the rules stay the same. After the "limit" you have to reach certain increasing thresholds to be elected.

You start with just having to have more than your opponent.
Then you have to have a majority after
your second term.
After your third you can only win if you reach 55%.
So on and so forth.
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No.

Just limit days in session to 90-120 consecutive, weekends and holidays count.
Adjust salary accordingly.
Do away with the pension and HC benefits.
States pay per diem and/or build a dormitory with cafeteria for them to live in while in session.
Require them to be subject to all laws they pass, no exemptions for congress.
All stock/securities trades by member and immediate family are reviewed by outside firm(s).

Those alone would dissuade a lot of people aspiring to a career in congress from running.
 
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hog88 said:
No.

Just limit days in session to 90-120 consecutive, weekends and holidays count.
Adjust salary accordingly.
Do away with the pension and HC benefits.
States pay per diem and/or build a dormitory with cafeteria for them to live in while in session.
Require them to be subject to all laws they pass, no exemptions for congress.
All stock/securities trades by member and immediate family are reviewed by outside firm(s).

Those alone would dissuade a lot of people aspiring to a career in congress from running.
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So you think the people who have been there for 30 years are gonna suddenly vote for less money power, etc let alone even entertain the thought... It'd be more likely that if those people were termed out, the newer ones would be more possible to cut for something like that because it's no longer a career.. It's an act of service like what was intended originally....
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So you think the people who have been there for 30 years are gonna suddenly vote for less money power, etc let alone even entertain the thought... It'd be more likely that if those people were termed out, the newer ones would be more possible to cut for something like that because it's no longer a career.. It's an act of service like what was intended originally....
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They're not going to vote for term limits either so the discussion is pointless.
 
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#95
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hog88 said:
They're not going to vote for term limits either so the discussion is pointless.
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It's at least being talked about and proposed. Your ideas don't have a shot on hell... When was the last time anyone negotiated a decrease of pay and benefits for themselves...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
It's at least being talked about and proposed. Your ideas don't have a shot on hell... When was the last time anyone negotiated a decrease of pay and benefits for themselves...
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Term limits have just a good a shot....
 
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#97
hog88 said:
Term limits have just a good a shot....
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It's been proposed... That's far further then your ideas will get with the current status quo. Term limits would also not allow the current corruption to get deeper.... Hard to corrupt me people every few years..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
It's been proposed... That's far further then your ideas will get with the current status quo. Term limits would also not allow the current corruption to get deeper.... Hard to corrupt me people every few years..
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Lots of stuff that never sniffs reality has been proposed.

Term limits will fix nothing.
 
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Campaign finance reform would help as well. Cut off the money supply. My biggest gripe is money from outside the election “district.” For instance, why should I, a New York resident, be able to donate money to a candidate for a Tennessee congressional district race? Why should someone from California be able to support a senatorial candidate in Texas?

I know there are bigger issues. But that’s my pet peeve.
 
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