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#151
#151
Tin Man said:
Yes, but cutting the growth rate in revenues without at least matching cuts in the growth rate of expenditures did bump up the deficit. Voo doo economics, as George H. W. Bush characterized it has been the core plank of Republicans since Ronald Reagan’s successful 1980 campaign. No real effort to reduce expenditures has been made during those times when Republicans have controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress.
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Demonizing it as Voo Doo economics ..ie Laffer, just as I proved the point that it works..
 
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#152
#152
Tin Man said:
When questioned, those who have/are voting for Trump in 2024 cite inflation, the economy, and immigration.

Trump inherited a surging economy coming back from the Great Recession. He did little other than sign into law the tax legislation passed by the Republican majority Congress. This cut top tax rates and raised taxes on those making $50K or less by $500/yr. That produced trillion-dollar Federal deficits while unemployment was ~3.5%. Inflation was lower, but he inherited that.

Inflation happened during the global recovery from the pandemic. Manufacturing, logistics, and supply took longer to recover than demand. This would have happened on Trump’s watch, but he failed in his bid for reelection. Neither he nor his opponent are going to impact the inflation that is already receding. Presidents don’t have as much power to effect change, and they need Congress to do much of anything.

The economy is actually pretty good. Employment, wages, and earnings are increasing, just not fast enough to overcome the surge in inflation caused by the interruption of global economic activity caused by the pandemic. Some of what Trump wants to do will disrupt the economy and hurt many of those voting for him, but, Congress. Even if he gets a Republican majority in both chambers, they don’t want to do what he wants to do.

Dealing with the Southern border is imperative, and, hopefully, Congress will act during the next term, giving the government resources it needs (much more than a wall). As for foreigners lacking documentation to be within our country, using a very old law to make massive deportations without process will definitely impact the economy, and initially, in a bad way.

Folks voting for Trump are really doing so because he makes them feel better about themselves. His opponent can’t penetrate that.
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"Economy is actually pretty good. "

fortune.com

Even households earning over $150,000 a year are living paycheck to paycheck, Bank of America says

Six figures can be barely enough to make ends meet.
fortune.com fortune.com
 
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#153
#153
The 2nd paragraph

Trump inherited a surging economy coming back from the Great Recession. ID SAY SOLID BUT NOT SURGING

He did little other than sign into law the tax legislation passed by the Republican majority Congress. FALSE - ALL THE SPENDING IN 2020, INCREASING FED SPENDING, AND 3 SC JUSTICES

This cut top tax rates and raised taxes on those making $50K or less by $500/yr. TRUE AND FALSE

That produced trillion-dollar Federal deficits while unemployment was ~3.5%. TRUE. BUT LARGELY FROM NOT CUTTING SPENDING.

Inflation was lower, but he inherited that. CPI, A LAGGING INDICATOR WAS CREEPING UP IN 2016, BUT WAS STILL HISTORICALLY LOW
 
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#156
#156
Tin Man said:
If you’re not familiar with Voo Doo economics, study the Republican Party in late 70s and early 80s.
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I am familiar with it.Did did you not see that I mentioned Laffer? Nothing but demonization of tax cuts cannot grow the economy. And I just showed you that even with tax cuts, there was no lost revenue.

Funny how people on here want moretaxes, unless it is their liability.
 
#157
#157
Tin Man said:
Yeah, inflation is the entirety of the economy. Ignore every measure of economic activity, any current or historical references. Inflation happened because Joe Biden. 🙄
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You made the assertion that everything is hunky dory. It's not.

Biden inflation reduction act didn't do anything to combat inflation so yeah he's just as much to blame since he simply ramped up spending

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#158
#158
Tin Man said:
When questioned, those who have/are voting for Trump in 2024 cite inflation, the economy, and immigration.

Trump inherited a surging economy coming back from the Great Recession. He did little other than sign into law the tax legislation passed by the Republican majority Congress. This cut top tax rates and raised taxes on those making $50K or less by $500/yr. That produced trillion-dollar Federal deficits while unemployment was ~3.5%. Inflation was lower, but he inherited that.

Inflation happened during the global recovery from the pandemic. Manufacturing, logistics, and supply took longer to recover than demand. This would have happened on Trump’s watch, but he failed in his bid for reelection. Neither he nor his opponent are going to impact the inflation that is already receding. Presidents don’t have as much power to effect change, and they need Congress to do much of anything.

The economy is actually pretty good. Employment, wages, and earnings are increasing, just not fast enough to overcome the surge in inflation caused by the interruption of global economic activity caused by the pandemic. Some of what Trump wants to do will disrupt the economy and hurt many of those voting for him, but, Congress. Even if he gets a Republican majority in both chambers, they don’t want to do what he wants to do.

Dealing with the Southern border is imperative, and, hopefully, Congress will act during the next term, giving the government resources it needs (much more than a wall). As for foreigners lacking documentation to be within our country, using a very old law to make massive deportations without process will definitely impact the economy, and initially, in a bad way.

Folks voting for Trump are really doing so because he makes them feel better about themselves. His opponent can’t penetrate that.
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#159
#159
Tin Man said:
When questioned, those who have/are voting for Trump in 2024 cite inflation, the economy, and immigration.

Trump inherited a surging economy coming back from the Great Recession. He did little other than sign into law the tax legislation passed by the Republican majority Congress. This cut top tax rates and raised taxes on those making $50K or less by $500/yr. That produced trillion-dollar Federal deficits while unemployment was ~3.5%. Inflation was lower, but he inherited that.

Inflation happened during the global recovery from the pandemic. Manufacturing, logistics, and supply took longer to recover than demand. This would have happened on Trump’s watch, but he failed in his bid for reelection. Neither he nor his opponent are going to impact the inflation that is already receding. Presidents don’t have as much power to effect change, and they need Congress to do much of anything.

The economy is actually pretty good. Employment, wages, and earnings are increasing, just not fast enough to overcome the surge in inflation caused by the interruption of global economic activity caused by the pandemic. Some of what Trump wants to do will disrupt the economy and hurt many of those voting for him, but, Congress. Even if he gets a Republican majority in both chambers, they don’t want to do what he wants to do.

Dealing with the Southern border is imperative, and, hopefully, Congress will act during the next term, giving the government resources it needs (much more than a wall). As for foreigners lacking documentation to be within our country, using a very old law to make massive deportations without process will definitely impact the economy, and initially, in a bad way.

Folks voting for Trump are really doing so because he makes them feel better about themselves. His opponent can’t penetrate that.
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People voted for Biden in 2020 because a Virus escaped from the Wuhan lab. Otherwise Trump would have won reelection in a landslide. Pre-Covid is what a great economy looks like and today's economy is nowhere close.

People are now voting for Trump because they have to go to the Grocery store and buy gas and pay rent etc... It's easy for people to say which is better for them because they have lived through both. You trying to blame Trump for inflation after 4 years of Biden/Harris is laughable but Harris is doing the same thing and it looks like she will lose BIGLY next Tuesday. Inflation was 1.4% the day Biden took office and spiked at 9% 2 years into his Presidency. Sorry for the inconvenient truth.......
 
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#162
Slightly more red than Tennessee election predictions itself.

What are there, Alabama, West Virginia, and Mississippi folks in here too?
 
#164
#164
Tin Man said:
When questioned, those who have/are voting for Trump in 2024 cite inflation, the economy, and immigration.

Trump inherited a surging economy coming back from the Great Recession. He did little other than sign into law the tax legislation passed by the Republican majority Congress. This cut top tax rates and raised taxes on those making $50K or less by $500/yr. That produced trillion-dollar Federal deficits while unemployment was ~3.5%. Inflation was lower, but he inherited that.

Inflation happened during the global recovery from the pandemic. Manufacturing, logistics, and supply took longer to recover than demand. This would have happened on Trump’s watch, but he failed in his bid for reelection. Neither he nor his opponent are going to impact the inflation that is already receding. Presidents don’t have as much power to effect change, and they need Congress to do much of anything.

The economy is actually pretty good. Employment, wages, and earnings are increasing, just not fast enough to overcome the surge in inflation caused by the interruption of global economic activity caused by the pandemic. Some of what Trump wants to do will disrupt the economy and hurt many of those voting for him, but, Congress. Even if he gets a Republican majority in both chambers, they don’t want to do what he wants to do.

Dealing with the Southern border is imperative, and, hopefully, Congress will act during the next term, giving the government resources it needs (much more than a wall). As for foreigners lacking documentation to be within our country, using a very old law to make massive deportations without process will definitely impact the economy, and initially, in a bad way.

Folks voting for Trump are really doing so because he makes them feel better about themselves. His opponent can’t penetrate that.
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Whether it's the 90s Clinton economy or 2010s Obama economy, it's shocking how much folks think the president has a magic wand over the economy.

Especially when the same people pump the free market economy ideology.

It is obvious to anyone that actually studies economics that 2020s inflation is fully on the supply chain issues caused by covid and the after effects. Every country hit the same stride. No capitalist companies will ever want to reduce prices back to "normal levels" as it would require suppliers and buyers to all equally understand and comply and agree. We are where we are.
 
#166
#166
Orangeburst said:
I am familiar with it.Did did you not see that I mentioned Laffer? Nothing but demonization of tax cuts cannot grow the economy. And I just showed you that even with tax cuts, there was no lost revenue.

Funny how people on here want moretaxes, unless it is their liability.
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And yet, like many, you avoid discussion of expenditures. Careful, lest you appear to be like the Voo Doo champions who ignore the monetization of debt and its adverse impact on the well being of the citizenry.
 
#167
#167
Tin Man said:
And yet, like many, you avoid discussion of expenditures. Careful, lest you appear to be like the Voo Doo champions who ignore the monetization of debt and its adverse impact on the well being of the citizenry.
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is this really a Trump v Biden who added more to the debt argument?
 
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#168
#168
McDad said:
The accuracy of the paragraph is dubious. If it wasn't apt, I'm not sure what it accomplished.

I haven't seen any national stats. Based on the convos in the VN PF, both candidates have some voting FOR them and voting AGAINST the other.

Most of the Harris voters here are anti Trump. I'd estimate about half the Trump voters are anti Harris.

We need better candidates.
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We need better citizens and processes. Fewer consumers and blamegames.

We deserve what we have. Look at all the gullibles that believed bad orange man to begin with. Absolute gullible Q-Anon facebookers and chainmailers. Embarrassing really when you think about it.

Meanwhile other folks were fine with a completely incomprehensible leader and even willing to re-elect purely based on tradition and precedence.

Americans, our lack of citizenry and care, are getting the full energy of what we have input. And it ain't much.

But as long as we can rush to the stores to spend our next paycheck before we get it, who cares? We are anxiety ridden slaves to the dollar and consumers at heart. Full of mental issues unlike any country on earth, but rich in material garbage. Blessed, no interviews please 🤭😅
 
#169
#169
Tin Man said:
And yet, like many, you avoid discussion of expenditures. Careful, lest you appear to be like the Voo Doo champions who ignore the monetization of debt and its adverse impact on the well being of the citizenry.
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Which iteration of WH, House, and Senate presided over a reduction of spending?
 
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#170
Devo182 said:
We need better citizens and processes. Fewer consumers and blamegames.

We deserve what we have. Look at all the gullibles that believed bad orange man to begin with. Absolute gullible Q-Anon facebookers and chainmailers. Embarrassing really when you think about it.

Meanwhile other folks were fine with a completely incomprehensible leader and even willing to re-elect purely based on tradition and precedence.

Americans, our lack of citizenry and care, are getting the full energy of what we have input. And it ain't much.

But as long as we can rush to the stores to spend our next paycheck before we get it, who cares? We are anxiety ridden slaves to the dollar and consumers at heart. Full of mental issues unlike any country on earth, but rich in material garbage. Blessed 🤭😅
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I deserve better. I can't speak for what others deserve.
 
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#171
TheDirector said:
People voted for Biden in 2020 because a Virus escaped from the Wuhan lab. Otherwise Trump would have won reelection in a landslide. Pre-Covid is what a great economy looks like and today's economy is nowhere close.

People are now voting for Trump because they have to go to the Grocery store and buy gas and pay rent etc... It's easy for people to say which is better for them because they have lived through both. You trying to blame Trump for inflation after 4 years of Biden/Harris is laughable but Harris is doing the same thing and it looks like she will lose BIGLY next Tuesday. Inflation was 1.4% the day Biden took office and spiked at 9% 2 years into his Presidency. Sorry for the inconvenient truth.......
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You’re a true believer. I will not argue with you. I’ll only suggest that you make an effort to thoroughly understand the original principles of modern conservatism and how these were set aside (if not discarded) by the Republican Party with the coalition that successfully propelled Ronald Reagan to victory in 1980. Too many of this generation ignore anything pre-Reagan. I think it is lazy to lump anyone not lock step with you into the liberal democratic milieu for which you are so comfortable in expressing despite.
 
#172
#172
McDad said:
Which iteration of WH, House, and Senate presided over a reduction of spending?
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None that I can see. Restructuring the tax code to promote the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few, creating a mismatch in the growth of revenues with the growth in expenditures, and monetizing the resulting deficits is folly. It will not “supercharge the economy to grow us out of the deficit” as was touted by Reagan’s team. The original core principle of modern conservative thought as expressed by Barry Goldwater, fiscal responsibility was thrown out the window by 80s neocons, and the Republican Party has refused to acknowledge this ever since. Barry G advocated for restraint in Federal expenditures, even abandoning some of them. Less is more in a self-governing society of free and equal citizens. If anyone points fingers at Democrats, it’s laughably absurd. They’ve been trying to leverage their way out of social inequities by creating more Federal government since FDR.
 
#175
#175
TheDirector said:
People voted for Biden in 2020 because a Virus escaped from the Wuhan lab. Otherwise Trump would have won reelection in a landslide. Pre-Covid is what a great economy looks like and today's economy is nowhere close.
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No, they voted for Biden because of the way Trump handled the virus, not because it happened. He repeatedly downplayed and lied to Americans. Supply chain completely unprepared and devastated, just recently recovered. Say what you want about the economy, how's the stock market and your 401k look? I'm seeing over a 20% return over the last year.
 
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