2024 Presidential Race

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#51,177
McDad said:
Has patriotism changed since you were in the military? Did you realize it was smoke and mirrors. Did you view of patriotism change?

Talk about that evolution please.
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Like a lot of young guys I was all USA, USA, mom flag and apple pie. America is the good guys and we did no wrong, US soldiers fought for freedom and the oppressed.

I found out that was complete bullcrap, we were sent to fight because someone's money or power was threatened. We fought because of our buddies. In questioning some of the BS both while in and out of the Army there were times when I was asked "aren't you a patriot" or some derivative of that. I slowly came to the conclusion that if questioning our federal government, the people running it and the crap they were doing is unpatriotic call my happy ass unpatriotic. I now consider being skeptical to the point of disloyalty to the federal government as being truly patriotic.

Lots more to it but I hate typing.
 
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McDad said:
Moving on from people who do not have the capacity to articulate their nonsense.

...if a candidate moves on from a particular position how much movement are they allowed before eroding trust.

Personally, I can think of 3 distinct and separate views on abortion from my late 20s to 53. About 1 change per 11 years. If a candidate had that rate of change, would you distrust them more?
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To me I think it comes down on timing of the change.

pre-office, who cares. There are a ton of things fictional political Louder would do differently from private citizen Louder and his beliefs. There aren't going to be many contradictions like that, but an opinion changed pre-office is not a factor. recency bias would come into play here too. a life long democrat private citizen who suddenly becomes the symbol of the right? yeah I don't trust that at all.

during a campaign? pretty much zero tolerance for change or differences in held opinions. it just comes across as hunting approval. and this goes for same level of government, or a higher. makes it impossible to vote for them, because who knows where they stand, if they are just changing opinions.

during office? I don't think it would completely bother me if a candidate started out at X, supported X at first. then transitioned to Y, as long as they were upfront with it. now I would expect the next time they campaigned to hold to Y, and as long as they did, I wouldn't hold the change against them beyond my opinion on X vs Y. the change itself wouldn't be an issue. I guess I would get suspicious if they ping ponged back and forth, but a single change on an issue wouldn't be a red flag. or even changing on multiple, as long as you stuck with it.

as a government bureaucrat not holding elected office? pushes it back to the very little tolerance. they need to stay true to what got them put in. granted we citizens have very little we can do about a bureaucrat, but I wouldn't look favorably on the elected officials who put them in charge. if a bureaucrat did change I would expect "my" elected official to replace them.

private citizen involved in the process, aide, lackey, media type, still in the very little trust for change category. feels like a Yes Man, looking for a job. Tulsi falls into this category. now if they changed in office, and started voting like their stated change, I wouldn't hold it against them to keep the change when they left office to become an attache' of some type.
 
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LouderVol said:
To me I think it comes down on timing of the change.

pre-office, who cares. There are a ton of things fictional political Louder would do differently from private citizen Louder and his beliefs. There aren't going to be many contradictions like that, but an opinion changed pre-office is not a factor. recency bias would come into play here too. a life long democrat private citizen who suddenly becomes the symbol of the right? yeah I don't trust that at all.

during a campaign? pretty much zero tolerance for change or differences in held opinions. it just comes across as hunting approval. and this goes for same level of government, or a higher. makes it impossible to vote for them, because who knows where they stand, if they are just changing opinions.

during office? I don't think it would completely bother me if a candidate started out at X, supported X at first. then transitioned to Y, as long as they were upfront with it. now I would expect the next time they campaigned to hold to Y, and as long as they did, I wouldn't hold the change against them beyond my opinion on X vs Y. the change itself wouldn't be an issue. I guess I would get suspicious if they ping ponged back and forth, but a single change on an issue wouldn't be a red flag. or even changing on multiple, as long as you stuck with it.

as a government bureaucrat not holding elected office? pushes it back to the very little tolerance. they need to stay true to what got them put in. granted we citizens have very little we can do about a bureaucrat, but I wouldn't look favorably on the elected officials who put them in charge. if a bureaucrat did change I would expect "my" elected official to replace them.

private citizen involved in the process, aide, lackey, media type, still in the very little trust for change category. feels like a Yes Man, looking for a job. Tulsi falls into this category. now if they changed in office, and started voting like their stated change, I wouldn't hold it against them to keep the change when they left office to become an attache' of some type.
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All good points.
 
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USF grad in TN said:
A realignment was needed. There's no natural commonality between hard-working working class voters and the nonsense prioritized by the far left.
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I am surprised with the auto unions..the Big 3 will be lucky to survive the artificial push for the Green agenda and hemoraghing of dollars. imo.
 
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McDad said:
All good points.
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unfortunately our politics boils things down to black and white, red vs blue.

I can see someone being a slightly left of center and actually transitioning into a slightly right of center, and not take exception to it, or vice versa. some of those changes are very small to push you into another category.

someone going from deep left to deep right is ALWAYS going to cause questions.

*even on individual issues*
 
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In all the other hubbub, I forgot to comment on Trump's idea to make overtime federally tax free.
It's a great idea. Something I've wanted to see proposed for a long time.

Unfortunately I think it is a pander and he is unserious about pushing for it.
 
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McDad said:
In all the other hubbub, I forgot to comment on Trump's idea to make overtime federally tax free.
It's a great idea. Something I've wanted to see proposed for a long time.

Unfortunately I think it is a pander and he is unserious about pushing for it.
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Explain. Why should OT not be subject to tax? How about commissions or bonuses?
 
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evillawyer said:


"Well I don't care if you're just thirteen
You look too good to be true
I just know that you're probably clean
There's one lil' thing I got do to you
...
I know I've got to have you in a matter of time
So tell your mama that I'm back in town
She likes us boys when it's time to get down
She's got this craving for the underage
I just might be your mama's brand new rage
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I know I got to have you in a matter of time
Honey you you you look so nice
She's young she's tender
Won't you please surrender
She's so fine she's mine
All the time, all mine mine
It's all right baby
It's quite all right I asked your mama
Wait a minute officer
Don't put those handcuffs on me
Put them on her and I'll share her with you" -- Ted Nugent
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So you commies finally got some morality points on the board?
 
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hog88 said:
Explain. Why should OT not be subject to tax? How about commissions or bonuses?
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I think OT should be taxed as if it was the normal hourly amount.

like you work 4 hrs of OT at 1.5x, you are taxed for 4hrs of 1x.

same thing for bonuses. flat normal rate

not sure about commissions. not sure how, or if, they are treated differently. but I think whatever your commission is is your income.

*assuming income is to be taxed*
 
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Orangeburst said:
I am surprised with the auto unions..the Big 3 will be lucky to survive the artificial push for the Green agenda and hemoraghing of dollars. imo.
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The green scam has hurt, no doubt. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's not just the auto makers themselves, but assembly lines that were put together to supply parts for EV's for the big 3 sit virtually empty. Millions spent on equipment to build these parts, and all for not.
 
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#51,190
speaking about extra pay and taxes. I found out that if your company buys back PTO time, you are taxed at a much higher rate. I really don't like that.
 
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Commissions are normal income..funny though I have received bonuses that were not taxed..I think..certainly not pre taxed.
 
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McDad said:
In all the other hubbub, I forgot to comment on Trump's idea to make overtime federally tax free.
It's a great idea. Something I've wanted to see proposed for a long time.

Unfortunately I think it is a pander and he is unserious about pushing for it.
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It is not a great idea. Salaried employees don't get paid overtime. As you said, it is just another example of political pandering that will never get enacted.
 
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hog88 said:
Explain. Why should OT not be subject to tax? How about commissions or bonuses?
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Because I am in favor of reducing / eliminating taxes on income.
I also want to see 2nd jobs and sidehustles not taxed.
 
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