Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[volbeast33]

 

[CABVOL]

Because we're the wealthiest country who has access to and means to afford more red meat than anyone else and/therefore our culture has red meat at its core more than anyone else and we're more sedentary than everyone else.

Do you believe that vegetable and seed oils are good for us? What about all the food up and down the aisles of the grocery store? What about all the bioengineered ingredients in our food supply?

 

[bigorange]

 

[sutro]

If you don't think that as an ADULT, you being forced to buckle yourself into a cars seat is not pure authoritarian then I don't know what to tell you.

I fully 1000% agree with DUI laws because you are protecting the public from the drinker, and I support the laws that enforce children's safety because they are children and thus they are supposed to be protected from harm by their gaurdians..BUT..forcing a grown person to wear a seat belt to supposedly protect them against their own will is absolutely pure ..and I hate it with a passion.

It is absolutely authoritarian and was a sign of bad things to come...and it is getting worse. Perhaps your generation is fine with being forced by Big Brother to do things like that...I am not.

McGill, I appreciate most of your contrarian takes, but I am on the other side on this one.

I think it's more of a cost and common good argument than a desire to supplant Johnny Whiplash's limited understanding of the physics of a car crash with a law forcing him to belt in purely for his own good.

If Johnny never has a crash, no cost to the system. If Johnny has an unbelted crash and dies, minimal cost in the form of lost payroll taxes and family financial instability due to lost wages. If he has an otherwise minimal injury (if belted) crash and ends up with devastating chronic injuries - particularly neurologic - then there are the initial costs of complex multiple trauma care, easily into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Once hospital care is done, it's months in acute rehab. If Johnny has a significant neurological injury, society is looking at a lifetime of costs in the many millions of dollars to care for him. This is independent of whether he is insured (raising rates for everyone else in his insurance plan) or uninsured (raising taxes for all).

There is no option in our system for EMS or a hospital to say "well, he wasn't belted" and refuse to render care. Johnny might refuse care with a minor accident, but past a certain point of injury, this is no longer an option. It's another example of privatizing gains (in this case, the minimal gain of not feeling encumbered by a seat belt) and socializing losses. I don't really want to help finance that when it is easily preventable in most cases. As such, I am fine with a slight limitation on Johnny's behavior so that I can keep more of what I earn. Plus, Johnny is probably a decent guy who just had a crappy physics teacher, and I wouldn't be sad to see him walk away from a crash unhurt.

 

[SSVol]

I don't know a whole lot of Americans who are struggling to keep their cholesterol above a healthy number. This conversation would be much more appropriate in more veggie forward cultures.

Dietary and serum cholesterol are not entirely unrelated like you imply. Serum cholesterol goes up with fat (and carbs to a lesser extent), and high cholesterol diets are usually high in saturated fat as well. Yes you can separate them in theory, but in practice the correlation is very high. If you eat a low cholesterol diet you're probably eating a low fat diet and are lowering your serum cholesterol.

Not normally, no, but many taking statins are lowering their levels well into the range that is less healthy. When looking only at cardiovascular risk, you think you're helping yourself, while the graph of all source risk is high at both ends with the minimum being higher than many would expect. Some studies have shown 2x higher mortality below 175 than above 225. Not sure whether that risk applies to cholesterol lowered by meds or not, but that cholesterol picture isn't what is commonly taught.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Because we're the wealthiest country who has access to and means to afford more red meat than anyone else and/therefore our culture has red meat at its core more than anyone else and we're more sedentary than everyone else.

Argentina says, "Hold my steaks".

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Dan Campbell learned that Hendon is a gamer.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

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I never believed all the horrible things that @Weezer has been saying about you. You are VN most beloved poster in my book.

 

[peaygolf]

No reason............Just cool to relive that day

 

[TN-POSSUM]

 

[volinexile17]

Not normally, no, but many taking statins are lowering their levels well into the range that is less healthy. When looking only at cardiovascular risk, you think you're helping yourself, while the graph of all source risk is high at both ends with the minimum being higher than many would expect. Some studies have shown 2x higher mortality below 175 than above 225. Not sure whether that risk applies to cholesterol lowered by meds or not, but that cholesterol picture isn't what is commonly taught.

JMO, a critical nutrition question is “Are eggs good or bad?” I’m pretty sure eggs have flip flopped between hero and villain at least 4 times in my life.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't know a whole lot of Americans who are struggling to keep their cholesterol above a healthy number. This conversation would be much more appropriate in more veggie forward cultures.

Dietary and serum cholesterol are not entirely unrelated like you imply. Serum cholesterol goes up with fat (and carbs to a lesser extent), and high cholesterol diets are usually high in saturated fat as well. Yes you can separate them in theory, but in practice the correlation is very high. If you eat a low cholesterol diet you're probably eating a low fat diet and are lowering your serum cholesterol.

Most recent expertise I've seen are definitely moving back from the "dietary cholesterol is bad" argument.

Even the AHA, for decades a dietary-cholesterol fearmonger, said two days ago:

Although dietary cholesterol was once singled out as a contributor to heart disease, the 2019 science advisory said studies have not generally supported an association between dietary cholesterol and cardiovascular risk.

Now, for some reason, they still recommend keeping it "as low as possible without compromising the nutritional adequacy of the diet."

So, studies aren't showing an association, but keep living as though they do!

In the body, cholesterol is needed to produce needed sex hormones, build body tissues (see: Repair things... like arteries), aid the liver in its duties...

So, there doesn't seem to be aan association between dietary cholesterol and heart disease. The body produces cholesterol as needed to repair body tissues. It's found in excess in sick people. So, we prescribe things to lower its presence in the body...

Let's try that logic on other things in the body.

White blood cells are made in the body to help when things go wrong. We find them more often ion sick people. So, let's prescribe things to lower the presence of serum white blood cells...

Seems to be another area where Big Pharma is very happy to treat symptomatically as opposed to finding out what's at core wrong with the patient that may be causing their body to send out restorative substances like... cholesterol.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I’m an idiot. Corrected.

 

[TheRain]

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Wifey gave me this for an anniversary present! Saving it for a special occasion but cant wait to crack it open!

anyone tried it?

Looks good.

That was "pre-determined."

 

[InVOLuntary]

@SSVol

I guess I'll just go with the Lion's Mane and Niacin. I ordered for delivery tomorrow. I went ahead and ordered the powder for easier dosage adjustments. I'll run a dosage by you before I take it. I read the niacin can give you some weird feelings.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not normally, no, but many taking statins are lowering their levels well into the range that is less healthy. When looking only at cardiovascular risk, you think you're helping yourself, while the graph of all source risk is high at both ends with the minimum being higher than many would expect. Some studies have shown 2x higher mortality below 175 than above 225. Not sure whether that risk applies to cholesterol lowered by meds or not, but that cholesterol picture isn't what is commonly taught.

I still prescribe to the idea that high serum cholesterol is an indicator of other issues that the body is trying to manage. As mentioned in the last post, I suspect we should see high serum cholesterol similar to how we see the presence of white blood cells. It's a body's flare that something's wrong and it's trying to manage it. It's not the "something" that's wrong.

 

[Jackcrevol]

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quit monkeying around

 

[itsme]

Our government allows over 10K food additives. Europe allows just over 300. Why is that? Much of the food sold in the US is not allowed in Europe.

Pharma and politicians can't make as much money if the population is healthy.

 

[Orange_Crush]

JMO, a critical nutrition question is “Are eggs good or bad?” I’m pretty sure eggs have flip flopped between hero and villain at least 4 times in my life.

It likely depends on whose lobbyists are throwing around the most money.

 

[itsme]

Yeah that is crazy. I’m pretty “fit”. I run 10-12 miles a week on off season from my half marathons and lift 5 days a week. At 33 I decided to get my T levels ran and they came back at 200 ng/dl when average for male is 400-900.

Deadlift and heavy squats will help to increase your T numbers. A guy I workout with had low numbers started a heavy squat and deadlift program and his numbers increased to the point that they wouldn't treat him for low-T.

 

[volfaninpa]

No reason............Just cool to relive that day

This is the first game I can remember watching on TV as a kid with my dad. He was a farmer and would rarely watch UT games unless they were night ones. But on this day, as the rain fell at our house, he was inside and turned the Vols on and I've been a fan ever since. And it means even more since my dad passed 2 years ago. The memories that sports can leave, good or bad, is simply remarkable. I can close my eyes and see that Reggie Cobb 79 yard touchdown run. To the OP, thanks for sharing..

 

[mrMet]

Processed foods is just a marketing term. Literally every food that you didn't pull out of the ground yourself and eat immediately is processed.

But I agree with your idea, the high sodium levels added to food contributes.

Processed as in made in a lab vs Whole Foods such as fruit, veggies and meat

Also, take back your comment on red meat. Red meat for life

 

[Orange_Crush]

Deadlift and heavy squats will help to increase your T numbers. A guy I workout with had low numbers started a heavy squat and deadlift program and his numbers increased to the point that they wouldn't treat him for low-T.

^^^ This ^^^

Also, eat plenty of fats and don't be afraid of dietary cholesterol. They're needed to produce and balance those sex hormones.

 

[triadvolfan]

JMO, a critical nutrition question is “Are eggs good or bad?” I’m pretty sure eggs have flip flopped between hero and villain at least 4 times in my life.

This explains it well.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Processed as in made in a lab vs Whole Foods such as fruit, veggies and meat

Also, take back your comment on red meat. Red meat for life

White meat has its place too.


Pork is amazing.