Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

[SpaceCoastVol]

Im saying that if you make $30,000 a year or $150,000 a year, you should get the same rate of return on what you put in.

The average high income earner will have a negative return. They will put more into the syatem than they will take out. The average low income earner will get a mid single digit return (4-6%).

SS is just another form of forced wealth redistribution.

Someone who earns at/above cap will have to live to mid 80s to "break even". The average to to mid income earner will "break even" in early to mid 70s....

I don't understand what you are saying. You DO get the same rate of return. And it isn't lost on me that I will have to live a long time before recouping what was taken. And I absolutely agree that it is forced wealth redistribution. I would have opted out fifteen years ago and let them keep what they had already taken. What I think should happen is that automatic paycheck deductions should cease and everyone should have to write a check to the .gov every month to cover what they "owe". The revolt will make the Boston tea party look like a ladies flower club meeting.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I don't disagree. NASA has been proven inferior to SpaceX in some if not many respects. But... and there's a big but...

What about the fact that SpaceX is largely controlled by one person, Elon Musk? Lately, he's become more and more political - purportedly he's donating $45M per month to the Trump campaign - and he's becoming more and more outspoken against our own government.

Russians are reportedly testing new anti-satellite weapons in space. Chinese are launching more satellites as we speak. Most rational people view these countries as our 'enemies'. But, what if Elon Musk - and hence SpaceX - don't? What if the political views of (in this case) the richest man in the world don't jive with our own government's positions? We've already seen this play out with Starlink within the war between Russia and Ukraine.

What power, if any, does our government hold over SpaceX? When (or does) it become a problem that space travel / exploration is effectively controlled by a singular private firm?

Elon ain't doing all this out of his own pocket.

 

[CobbVol]

Wrong. Your ignorance is showing again, Hogg.

Without our federal government, we have no country. Ever heard of the Constitution?

Yeah, that thing our founding fathers created back in the day... it created our federal government. Without it, our country is not a country.

And, yes, your disdain of the federal government, conspiracy theories, love of the southern confederacy and hatred of Lincoln for blowing it all up are evident to all.

COUNTRY​

"A country is a nation, a body of land with one government. Also, rural areas outside cities and towns are called the country."

There are many countries in the world: places that have a central government and a common identity. America was once just a bunch of colonies of England. It wasn't until they fought for independence from England that America became a country. Also, "the country" is any place that's away from cities and rural: the country has farms and open spaces. Country life is quieter than city life — except for the early morning roosters.

Does a country need a secure border?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Does a country need a secure border?

Soetoro say no.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I don't understand what you are saying. You DO get the same rate of return. And it isn't lost on me that I will have to live a long time before recouping what was taken. And I absolutely agree that it is forced wealth redistribution. I would have opted out fifteen years ago and let them keep what they had already taken. What I think should happen is that automatic paycheck deductions should cease and everyone should have to write a check to the .gov every month to cover what they "owe". The revolt will make the Boston tea party look like a ladies flower club meeting.

Here is an example. You have a twin brother RedneckRivieraVol. You both start working the same day, you retire the same day, you start drawing SS at the same time. The only difference is you earned exactly the SS cap each year and RedneckRivieraVol earned exactly 25% of you each and every year.

If the rates of return were the same, you would have a SS check that is exactly 4x the size of your twins. In reality, your check will be less than 3x the size of your brothers....

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I’m surprised no one has put Soros down

Probably because anyone who believes he was connected to the assassination attempt is both too dumb and poor to pull it off.

 

[hog88]

Wrong. Your ignorance is showing again, Hogg.

Without our federal government, we have no country. Ever heard of the Constitution?

Yeah, that thing our founding fathers created back in the day... it created our federal government. Without it, our country is not a country.

And, yes, your disdain of the federal government, conspiracy theories, love of the southern confederacy and hatred of Lincoln for blowing it all up are evident to all.

COUNTRY​

"A country is a nation, a body of land with one government. Also, rural areas outside cities and towns are called the country."

There are many countries in the world: places that have a central government and a common identity. America was once just a bunch of colonies of England. It wasn't until they fought for independence from England that America became a country. Also, "the country" is any place that's away from cities and rural: the country has farms and open spaces. Country life is quieter than city life — except for the early morning roosters.

Our current federal government is nothing like our FFs envisioned, you claiming otherwise demonstrates your ignorance. Further demonstration of your ignorance is the insinuation that I don't want or think we need a federal government, we do. But what we need is what the FFs created and not the bastardized version we have now that began with Lincoln.

You love strong centralized control and if you weren't so ignorant of history you would see how that form of government in large diverse countries has failed almost every time. Our federal government has gone from an arbiter between states and handling foreign affairs to an empire and the states are the new colonies. It's not much removed from what our FFs went to war over.

Also, we as a people are much better off that the confederacy lost the war so again you are wrong in saying I have love for the "southern confederacy". What should have never happened is Lincoln pushing the country to division.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

One can love this country and what it was founded upon and not like the federal government, especially in its current state where it is larger than the founders ever intended for it to be. Love of country does not equal love of government.

The founders of this Nation would have been stacking bodies long, long ago. Waaaaay before the federal government became a bumbling monolith thieving each individuals earnings and freedoms in order to perpetuate its own existence, obesity, and growth. The men who founded our country would NEVER let government bureaucrats hold this monopoly on violence either. Blood would be shed...as it should be. Europe is even worse, which is hard to imagine. Yet true.

 

[ButchPlz]

Our current federal government is nothing like our FFs envisioned, you claiming otherwise demonstrates your ignorance. Further demonstration of your ignorance is the insinuation that I don't want or think we need a federal government, we do. But what we need is what the FFs created and not the bastardized version we have now that began with Lincoln.

You love strong centralized control and if you weren't so ignorant of history you would see how that form of government in large diverse countries has failed almost every time. Our federal government has gone from an arbiter between states and handling foreign affairs to an empire and the states are the new colonies. It's not much removed from what our FFs went to war over.

Also, we as a people are much better off that the confederacy lost the war so again you are wrong in saying I have love for the "southern confederacy". What should have never happened is Lincoln pushing the country to division.

The antifederalists predicted this shitshow...

 

[MontyPython]

Does a country need a secure border?

Yes of course, but I think the real question is what defines a secure border.

The problem is likely less than how Trump describes it and more than how Biden describes it.

Having said that, Trump showed his true colors (READ: motivation) earlier this year when he encouraged his Congressional allies to torpedo the proposed *bipartisan* border plan that Biden would have enacted. Trump *wants* the perceived immigration "crisis" to exist at least through the election. Thereafter, if he were elected, said issue would suddenly disappear... much like his 24-hour solution to the Ukraine/Russia war. All smoke and mirrors.

 

[hog88]

Yes of course, but I think the real question is what defines a secure border.

The problem is likely less than how Trump describes it and more than how Biden describes it.

Having said that, Trump showed his true colors (READ: motivation) earlier this year when he encouraged his Congressional allies to torpedo the proposed *bipartisan* border plan that Biden would have enacted. Trump *wants* the perceived immigration "crisis" to exist at least through the election. Thereafter, if he were elected, said issue would suddenly disappear... much like his 24-hour solution to the Ukraine/Russia war. All smoke and mirrors.

1 R Senator co-sponsored that bill. 1 is not bipartisan.

 

[MontyPython]

Our current federal government is nothing like our FFs envisioned, you claiming otherwise demonstrates your ignorance. Further demonstration of your ignorance is the insinuation that I don't want or think we need a federal government, we do. But what we need is what the FFs created and not the bastardized version we have now that began with Lincoln.

You love strong centralized control and if you weren't so ignorant of history you would see how that form of government in large diverse countries has failed almost every time. Our federal government has gone from an arbiter between states and handling foreign affairs to an empire and the states are the new colonies. It's not much removed from what our FFs went to war over.

Also, we as a people are much better off that the confederacy lost the war so again you are wrong in saying I have love for the "southern confederacy". What should have never happened is Lincoln pushing the country to division.

Let's play along with your "vision" of our bloated federal government for a bit...

So when the pandemic hit, was it wrong for Trump and then Biden to pump up money supply, issue "free money" to individuals and businesses, and thereby significantly increase our Country's debt?

 

[hog88]

Let's play along with your "vision" of our bloated federal government for a bit...

So when the pandemic hit, was it wrong for Trump and then Biden to pump up money supply, issue "free money" to individuals and businesses, and thereby significantly increase our Country's debt?

Yes

 

[MontyPython]

1 R Senator co-sponsored that bill. 1 is not bipartisan.

Of course it was you noob. There was one republican, one democrat and one independent involved.

Also, are you suggesting that you don't trust Oklahoma Republican Sen. Jim Lankford? If yes, why?

 

[hog88]

Of course it was you noob. There was one republican, one democrat and one independent involved.

Also, are you suggesting that you don't trust Oklahoma Republican Sen. Jim Lankford? If yes, why?

He allowed himself to be used in sponsoring crap legislation who's true purpose was to fund Ukraine and did nothing to secure the border. It also transferred immense power to the executive branch.

Try reading it sometime.

Edit: and to answer your question. I don't trust any politicians regardless of party.

 

[MontyPython]

Yes

SMH. And I thought you were only hugely ignorant of economics. Clearly, you're not a small business owner.

Had the federal government not intervened during the pandemic to prop up our economy, likely tens of thousands of small businesses would have gone out of business. Period. This is not debatable. This would have likely resulted in an extended period of economic pain and additional unemployment (read: recession).

 

[MontyPython]

He allowed himself to be used in sponsoring crap legislation who's true purpose was to fund Ukraine and did nothing to secure the border. It also transferred immense power to the executive branch.

Try reading it sometime.

Edit: and to answer your question. I don't trust any politicians regardless of party.

Heh. Your conspiracy theory skirt is showing again.

 

[CobbVol]

Yes of course, but I think the real question is what defines a secure border.

The problem is likely less than how Trump describes it and more than how Biden describes it.

Having said that, Trump showed his true colors (READ: motivation) earlier this year when he encouraged his Congressional allies to torpedo the proposed *bipartisan* border plan that Biden would have enacted. Trump *wants* the perceived immigration "crisis" to exist at least through the election. Thereafter, if he were elected, said issue would suddenly disappear... much like his 24-hour solution to the Ukraine/Russia war. All smoke and mirrors.

It is good to see if he is elected and starts to secure the border beyond from what it is today (which is next to nothing) that he has your full support.

Of course everyone know that the border bill has been debunked. It even went for a second attempted vote in the Senate and lost its co-sponsor and other democrats in the process. Sadly, HR2 which was passed in the House never has gotten to the floor of the Senate due to Schumer unwillingness and to keep the crisis alive.

 

[utvolpj]

SMH. And I thought you were only hugely ignorant of economics. Clearly, you're not a small business owner.

Had the federal government not intervened during the pandemic to prop up our economy, likely tens of thousands of small businesses would have gone out of business. Period. This is not debatable. This would have likely resulted in an extended period of economic pain and additional unemployment (read: recession).

Never would have happened if the govt was honest about covid and let the economy run on its own. They need you to need them

 

[McDad]

SMH. And I thought you were only hugely ignorant of economics. Clearly, you're not a small business owner.

Had the federal government not intervened during the pandemic to prop up our economy, likely tens of thousands of small businesses would have gone out of business. Period. This is not debatable. This would have likely resulted in an extended period of economic pain and additional unemployment (read: recession).

If you use "likely" in your prediction, I think it is, by definition, debatable.

 

[hog88]

SMH. And I thought you were only hugely ignorant of economics. Clearly, you're not a small business owner.

Had the federal government not intervened during the pandemic to prop up our economy, likely tens of thousands of small businesses would have gone out of business. Period. This is not debatable. This would have likely resulted in an extended period of economic pain and additional unemployment (read: recession).

LOL Why would so many small businesses gone under? Because idiot governors and mayors chose to shut them down. They picked who and what was "essential" instead of letting their people decide. Those poor decisions along with the bad decisions to pump money into an economy where production was curtailed is what brought about the inflation we are all dealing with. And you claim to understand economics lol.

Our small business thrived during covid, how you ask? We decided that we were NOT going to shut down and would continue to operate as normally as we could. Many of our competitors did draw back or even shut down for a time, that opened the door for us to have the biggest expansion in our history.

Have you ever heard the phrase "better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"? If you haven't you should really think about it.

 

[hog88]

Heh. Your conspiracy theory skirt is showing again.

It's not a conspiracy, it's the truth. Try reading the bill and not your twitter.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The waste from PPP, enhanced unemployment, and ERC will cause a lot more damage than any short term pain would have caused in 2020

 

[jvol1]

Our current federal government is nothing like our FFs envisioned, you claiming otherwise demonstrates your ignorance. Further demonstration of your ignorance is the insinuation that I don't want or think we need a federal government, we do. But what we need is what the FFs created and not the bastardized version we have now that began with Lincoln.

You love strong centralized control and if you weren't so ignorant of history you would see how that form of government in large diverse countries has failed almost every time. Our federal government has gone from an arbiter between states and handling foreign affairs to an empire and the states are the new colonies. It's not much removed from what our FFs went to war over.

Also, we as a people are much better off that the confederacy lost the war so again you are wrong in saying I have love for the "southern confederacy". What should have never happened is Lincoln pushing the country to division.

The ffs viewed slavery as evil and didnt think states should be allowed to leave the union. The great concern was that they'd be manipulated by foreign powers to bring down the rest of the states -- a little like hotel california.

 

[hog88]

The ffs viewed slavery as evil and didnt think states should be allowed to leave the union. The great concern was that they'd be manipulated by foreign powers to bring down the rest of the states -- a little like hotel california.

Is this your alt account TurboMonty?