Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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lawgator1 said:
I personally think the two main failures are:

* SS failure to secure the rooftop.

* Local law enforcement failure to communicate either citizen or their own concerns that something was going on such that Trump at least ought to have been moved away until it was figured out.


But the notion that it was purposeful, or that Trump was denied adequate resources in the form of SS protection sought and denied, has been debunked at every turn and frankly comes across as an attempt to turn negligence on the scene into some sort of planned malevolence by the DHS or Biden administration itself, and it makes you look silly.
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Nothing has been debunked until the foia emails between Trump’s detail and the agency come out, which I’m sure will be requested.
 
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I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there are just way too many things that don't add up.

A perfect "lone assassin" with a mixed political background to make everyone uncertain of motive
A mixed crew of normal SS and temporary ones
Delegating the most obvious sniper positions to local law enforcement
No overwatch on the water tower
No overwatch on the adjacent building
Receipt for bullets on the "lone assassin" or in his car
Bomb material in his car with a remote detonator
Spotted by citizens but the SS did not remove Trump even if to temporarily assess the info
"Lone assassin" picked the perfect section of the roof so that SS will have an obscured view through the trees
Pathetic and non-sensical excuses from SS about the roof
Several shots taken before SS kills the assassin

I really hope this is just multiple examples of gross failure by all involved, but the more information that comes out the worse it appears.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
we are to just blindly believe the gov't.

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Has the Trump campaign actually said this happened -- that they asked for more SS agents and did not get them?

Nope. And they would have, if it were remotely true.

Fact is, there were mistakes made and they need to be corrected. But Trump and the campaign are fans of the SS and appreciate what they do, and are not willing to imply they ought to be scapegoated any more than the correct criticism of mishandling this situation as it evolved.
 
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825VOL said:
I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there are just way too many things that don't add up.

A perfect "lone assassin" with a mixed political background to make everyone uncertain of motive
A mixed crew of normal SS and temporary ones
Delegating the most obvious sniper positions to local law enforcement
No overwatch on the water tower
No overwatch on the adjacent building
Receipt for bullets on the "lone assassin" or in his car
Bomb material in his car with a remote detonator
Spotted by citizens but the SS did not remove Trump even if to temporarily assess the info
"Lone assassin" picked the perfect section of the roof so that SS will have an obscured view through the trees
Pathetic and non-sensical excuses from SS about the roof
Several shots taken before SS kills the assassin

I really hope this is just multiple examples of gross failure by all involved, but the more information that comes out the worse it appears.
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oh the fbi "cant get info out of his phone" ... yet no problem tracking down every grampa and grandma in dc on 1/6
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I always thought it would be a death sentence to show up open carrying an assault rifle anywhere near a president. I assumed if you were spotted on a rooftop with a rifle, during a presidential event, you would be eliminated immediately.
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Me, too. Personally, I think the issue is that they weren't sure whether the guy was a local law enforcement official and the locals weren't sure he wasn't SS. When the local climbed up and he pointed the gun, it was too late as shots were fired immediately thereafter.

Now, the failure there is to allow the lack of certainty to go on and create the risk. As soon as either locals or SS got word something was unusual, Trump should have been removed from the stage until it got resolved. That, to me, is the real failure here.
 
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Okay. So, apparently he was seen around the building or upon the roof for 20-30 minutes. They don't do much to figure out what is going on, even though they claim they have snipers in the bottom of the building (? I haven't seen it printed the last part). They don't do anything, everyone sees him up there. They roll Orange. The primary counter sniper unit is focused in on him because well... he's laying down on the only roof around. Duh. Nobody does anything but wait.... leave Orange on stage. Snipers are pointed at the building.

Who was looking at the water tower? It was reported by at least three people.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Has the Trump campaign actually said this happened -- that they asked for more SS agents and did not get them?

Nope. And they would have, if it were remotely true.

Fact is, there were mistakes made and they need to be corrected. But Trump and the campaign are fans of the SS and appreciate what they do, and are not willing to imply they ought to be scapegoated any more than the correct criticism of mishandling this situation as it evolved.
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What I know is he got shot. Clearly this was gross incompetence at best. Heads should roll. And no, I don't expect Trump to say a negative word, these people are still protecting him. It's like when Hillary was asked about Chinese human rights abuses and she replied that it's hard to criticize your banker.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Has the Trump campaign uttered a word in support of the claim from the bloggers?

Nope.
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Did the head of Trump's SS detail ask for additional resources?

Seems to me that would be the person making the request to higher ups, so technically Mayorkis could be telling the truth.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Me, too. Personally, I think the issue is that they weren't sure whether the guy was a local law enforcement official and the locals weren't sure he wasn't SS. When the local climbed up and he pointed the gun, it was too late as shots were fired immediately thereafter.

Now, the failure there is to allow the lack of certainty to go on and create the risk. As soon as either locals or SS got word something was unusual, Trump should have been removed from the stage until it got resolved. That, to me, is the real failure here.
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The sniper had eyes on him. He must've seen him train the gun. He should've never been able to shoulder the rifle, let alone fire between 3-9 shots.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Has the Trump campaign actually said this happened -- that they asked for more SS agents and did not get them?

Nope. And they would have, if it were remotely true.

Fact is, there were mistakes made and they need to be corrected. But Trump and the campaign are fans of the SS and appreciate what they do, and are not willing to imply they ought to be scapegoated any more than the correct criticism of mishandling this situation as it evolved.
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Bannon did (prior to the shooting). Im not going to put too much trust into his word.

The question still remains, why is the campaign feeling like they need to ask for more resources? What went wrong in the overall risk analysis where the SS is being reactive to campaign requests instead of proactive to changing campaign schedules....
 
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jmacvols1 said:
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Ahem

Addressing a ceremony marking the general’s death, President Ebrahim Raisi said those behind it “should know that retaliation is obvious,” adding that “there will be no relief for murderers and accomplices.”


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Iran president vows vengeance 3 years after general's death

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Iran's president on Tuesday vowed to avenge the killing of the country's top general on the third anniversary of his death, as the government rallied its supporters in mourning amid months of anti-government protests.
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lawgator1 said:
Has the Trump campaign actually said this happened -- that they asked for more SS agents and did not get them?

Nope. And they would have, if it were remotely true.

Fact is, there were mistakes made and they need to be corrected. But Trump and the campaign are fans of the SS and appreciate what they do, and are not willing to imply they ought to be scapegoated any more than the correct criticism of mishandling this situation as it evolved.
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nypost.com

Trump’s Secret Service detail is just the fraction of the size of sitting presidents — with campaign continually asking for more protection: sources

“I have already contacted the Secret Service for a briefing and am also calling on Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle to appear for a hearing,” Rep. James Comer said.
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"Trump, being a former president himself, should have received additional security from the agency, sources said.

His campaign has asked for additional protection, but their request has fallen on deaf ears, according to sources."

"Trump does not receive counter assault and counter sniper defenses as well as aviation coverage, leaving him vulnerable, sources said."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Has the Trump campaign uttered a word in support of the claim from the bloggers?

Nope.
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You feel the same about the Trump and pee tapes then...you realize if there was proof it would have been released...is this the argument your using....
 
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