Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

[LSU-SIU]

“Property owner won’t allow us on the property so we have to watch it from the perimeter“
”Someone is climbing up to the roof with a rifle get Orange man off stage”

Yeah it’s that simple.

Yeah. I think in this situation, it really was that simple. Why was Orange on the stage?

Everything else there can be a reasonable excuse or situation but that one.... well.... someone failed big time. Most likely nobody had to get hurt.

As far as the rest, it could be complex and to be honest, the former President isn't getting as many resources as people think. Very tough if you think of the planning, prep, logistics, etc.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I don’t know enough about the layout to say that for sure. Detaining someone with a rifle obviously, yes. But detecting the person and the rifle may depend on the property lines and whether they’re legally able to be in a certain place before it became an exigency. Once someone is on the roof I think they have to investigate and try to detain, I don’t think it’s lawful or good policy to just snipe him until he opens fire.

There’s also the issue of timelines and how long they had to set up and recon and what kind of resources they had. That contribute to that.

Whether they followed agency procedure in those set-ups or deviated from it.

The scope of the role they’re being asked to play versus other incumbent campaigns.

Whether they’ve been supplied with comparable resources to other incumbent campaigns and who made that determination (which obviously would be a failure somewhere, if not).

I’m open to the idea of a colossal failure, and I agree that somebody getting a shot on the former president is a failure. It puts the ball in USSS court to answer all of those questions. It’s the first time in 43 years that they’ve ****ed up to this degree and I can see plausible answers to some of the questions that are being asked so I’m open to hearing the answers.

Im pretty sure multiple clear shots at an intermediate range is a colossal failure in the eyes of the SS.

Comparable resources is a disingenuous metric though. Comparing the risk for Mitt Romney in 2012 vs Donald Trump in 2024 is asinine....

 

[Godfatha]

They have scopes. It would not be hard to see what the kid was holding.

Aww come on, plenty of cameras have barrels, magazines, and stocks

 

[hog88]

I don’t need to tell you that you can fit those rifles in a backpack.

And there would be nothing suspicious about a guy climbing on the roof with a backpack.

You're trying awfully hard to make excuses for something that cannot be categorized as anything other than a colossal failure.

 

[LSU-SIU]

They have scopes. It would not be hard to see what the kid was holding.

As soon as they saw that guy up there, if there was any doubt... you take the Orange off the stage. (you can always put him back up there)

 

[adam.vol]

I do not believe this. I’m mostly saying, democrats came with decency in the wake of the attack, only for the right to call for their heads. I think both sides brought this upon our nation before it. This has been a steaming kettle since 2008, if not before.

Also, there’s been plenty of trash takes/tweets/opinions from the left in the wake of this tragedy.

It’s natural to act polite when you’ve been pleading for violence and suddenly get what you’ve been demanding. They’ve been calling for assassination for 8 years and when it happened, they acted just the way they had rehearsed it in their minds.

What is the left doing to rectify this assassination attempt?

Edit: I’m not calling for their heads in any literal fashion. I want their voters to demand better from them so we can stop feeling the need to ramp up our aggression to match one another’s.

 

[YankeeVol]

You're a hunter. If Crooks was 130 yards from DJT, how far from SS sniper?
Whatever the distance, could you tell if rifle at same distance?

1000% could tell

 

[LSU-SIU]

And there would be nothing suspicious about a guy climbing on the roof with a backpack.

You're trying awfully hard to make excuses for something that cannot be categorized as anything other than a colossal failure.

What he is saying makes sense in part, meaning the area was not secure. They knew he was up there. So, did they not see the rifle, whether it was in a backpack is immaterial as they had plenty of time to see what he had.

They should at the very least had pulled the Orange off stage. Blowing the guy up could be debatable but not pulling the Orange is not debatable.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

And there would be nothing suspicious about a guy climbing on the roof with a backpack.

You're trying awfully hard to make excuses for something that cannot be categorized as anything other than a colossal failure.

Especially if the local DA, Dick Golddinger, is to be believed by saying they had access to the building.

No point really, I just wanted to say Dick Golldinger again...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

What he is saying makes sense in part, meaning the area was not secure. They knew he was up there. So, did they not see the rifle, whether it was in a backpack is immaterial as they had plenty of time to see what he had.

They should at the very least had pulled the Orange off stage. Blowing the guy up could be debatable but not pulling the Orange is not debatable.

Dick Golddinger said they had access to the building. In no circumstance should it have not been secure..

 

[hog88]

What he is saying makes sense in part, meaning the area was not secure. They knew he was up there. So, did they not see the rifle, whether it was in a backpack is immaterial as they had plenty of time to see what he had.

They should at the very least had pulled the Orange off stage.

If the SS was refused access to the building to secure the rooftop (should be a question already answered) this is a failure on their part.
If the SS never asked permission to access the rooftop (should already be answered by now) this is a colossal failure on their part.
If the SS had permission to access the rooftop and didn't it is borderline criminal negligence on the part of the SS.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Dick Golddinger said they had access to the building. In no circumstance should it have not been secure..

What the SS is saying is that is up to local. But once the guy was up there, and nobody was up there.... its going take a few minutes to get someone up there.

It was a bad situation once someone was up there with a gun.

 

[KB5252]

You're a hunter. If Crooks was 130 yards from DJT, how far from SS sniper?
Whatever the distance, could you tell if rifle at same distance?

Remember the snipers work as a team with spotters, a spotter with their advanced optics could/should be able to tell the difference and make the call/communicate it to the sniper within seconds.

The spotters at Neyland Stadium appear to more vigilant than these guys were.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[LSU-SIU]

If the SS was refused access to the building to secure the rooftop (should be a question already answered) this is a failure on their part.
If the SS never asked permission to access the rooftop (should already be answered by now) this is a colossal failure on their part.
If the SS had permission to access the rooftop and didn't it is borderline criminal negligence on the part of the SS.

Disagree. That isn't how it works. The SS can't dictate roof access, also what they are going to claim is they don't have the resources.

You guys are assuming they all have 1000 guys ready to go, that just isn't the case.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Please tell me again how Trump is like Hitler, despite 4 years of international peace and the best financial years we've ever had?

Since Biden has been in office, we have gotten involved in 2 separate Wars. Wars that the Biden Administration arguably invited to happen once the world saw the weakness and the ineptitude of what happened in Afghanistan. The Biden Administration took our rights away during COVID. The Biden Administration actively worked with media social media outlets to restrict free speech. The Biden Administration forced Americans to get a vaccination that they did not want. And the Biden Administration and DOJ has unfairly targeted political opponents.

Please stop quoting that guy. He’s a complete nut job. You’re wasting your time talking to him

Seriously, he is deranged. A troll of epic proportions with massive delusions of grandeur. I do believe he and Mick/Turbo/?? are father and son or at least grandfather and son.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Richard Goldinger, the Butler County district attorney, says it is “surprising” that the shooter was able to position himself on a nearby rooftop before opening fire at the Trump rally.⁠
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Speaking to MSNBC, he said that “I do know we had some law enforcement in that building, which is even more surprising that he was able to get up there”, adding the unit was normally used by a glass manufacturing company.

 

[McDad]

Ok, they had control of the skies. That would be SOP since I'm sure it was a no fly zone during the event but what good did that do?

I would say it did a lot of good. Crooks wasn't able to continue to Pepper the stage crowd with bullets.

 

[RockyTop85]

Lame.
So if someone is on a roof top in your neighborhood crawling around with a rifle, cops get called out. Guy on roof ( home owner) says get f***. They'll just throw up their hands and leave. Oh, sure

I have no idea where you’re getting this idea that law enforcement came out and saw he had a gun and just left or how that was supposed to be analogous.

According to the AP report, once they confirmed that he had a gun, it all went down pretty quickly.

Lack of consent to access the property is a potential reasonable explanation for why nobody was up there to begin with.
Government can’t just put somebody on that rooftop without consent of the owner.
Government probably can’t stop somebody climbing on that rooftop without consent of the owner.
They had the rooftop covered by the sniper (see: the video of the sniper and the hole in dude’s head).
Once law enforcement are told that there’s somebody up there with a rifle, then exigent circumstances exist to go on the property.
But the sniper can’t shoot the guy until he’s confirmed to be threat.
So they had to investigate.
Which they seemingly did. Found the guy with a rifle. He took a shot. They shot him.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I have no idea where you’re getting this idea that law enforcement came out and saw he had a gun and just left or how that was supposed to be analogous.

According to the AP report, once they confirmed that he had a gun, it all went down pretty quickly.

Lack of consent to access the property is a potential reasonable explanation for why nobody was up there to begin with.
Government can’t just put somebody on that rooftop without consent of the owner.
Government probably can’t stop somebody climbing on that rooftop without consent of the owner.
They had the rooftop covered by the sniper (see: the video of the sniper and the hole in dude’s head).
Once law enforcement are told that there’s somebody up there with a rifle, then exigent circumstances exist to go on the property.
But the sniper can’t shoot the guy until he’s confirmed to be threat.
So they had to investigate.
Which they seemingly did. Found the guy with a rifle. He took a shot. They shot him.

Except the local DA already shot the lack of access down...

Richard Goldinger, the Butler County district attorney, says it is “surprising” that the shooter was able to position himself on a nearby rooftop before opening fire at the Trump rally.⁠
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Speaking to MSNBC, he said that “I do know we had some law enforcement in that building, which is even more surprising that he was able to get up there”, adding the unit was normally used by a glass manufacturing company.

This does assume hes telling the truth...

 

[adam.vol]

Yeah. What is the theory, the Orange wasn't right enough?

What does it even matter?

True. Crazy is going to exist somewhere, no matter what.

Everyone should be able to agree that the Secret Service didn’t do enough, since one of our Presidents was allowed to get shot. I wish we could all stay there until it’s resolved, followed by the pleas for assassination should not be tolerated by any voter.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I have no idea where you’re getting this idea that law enforcement came out and saw he had a gun and just left or how that was supposed to be analogous.

According to the AP report, once they confirmed that he had a gun, it all went down pretty quickly.

Lack of consent to access the property is a potential reasonable explanation for why nobody was up there to begin with.
Government can’t just put somebody on that rooftop without consent of the owner.
Government probably can’t stop somebody climbing on that rooftop without consent of the owner.
They had the rooftop covered by the sniper (see: the video of the sniper and the hole in dude’s head).
Once law enforcement are told that there’s somebody up there with a rifle, then exigent circumstances exist to go on the property.
But the sniper can’t shoot the guy until he’s confirmed to be threat.
So they had to investigate.
Which they seemingly did. Found the guy with a rifle. He took a shot. They shot him.

You;re right on the beginning, but as soon as they saw him up there with anything or nothing... they should have pulled the Orange from the stage. From 100-200m with scopes you can easily see a rifle.

 

[hog88]

Disagree. That isn't how it works. The SS can't dictate roof access, also what they are going to claim is they don't have the resources.

You guys are assuming they all have 1000 guys ready to go, that just isn't the case.

I didn't say the SS can dictate access to private property, they would/should have asked for permission.
From the pictures I've seen of the building a roving 3 man patrol could can secured the perimeter of that building to the point of at least noticing suspicious activity and sounding the alarm to get Orange Man off the stage.

 

[Cod]

Ahh yea forgot about this jewel from the tolerant mostly peaceful left.

 

[RockyTop85]

And there would be nothing suspicious about a guy climbing on the roof with a backpack.

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Strawman.

You're trying awfully hard to make excuses

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Strawman

for something that cannot be categorized as anything other than a colossal failure.

Hasty judgment.