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C-south said:
Effects of affirmative action/dei at it’s finest.
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Boeing's problems really got rolling when they moved their HQ from Seattle to Chicago to garner favor with Soetoro. The most recent move to DC has really solidified their mediocrity. It seems pretty obvious to me that they are not really all that interested in innovation in aircraft design, but they would rather stretch the existing designs they are hanging their hats on (737/787). Meanwhile Airbus has gone with a more common cockpit in that basically going from one to the other is a short school (saving companies training costs). The A350 is a bit of an exception because it has gone a step farther, but that is a whole different discussion. (btw, the A350 sends 2600 flight parameters a minute back to earth. The maintenance folks know before I do a lot of times if the airplane has an issue; some I don't ever know about). Airbus builds airplanes and innovates. I honestly don't know what Boeing commercial aircraft division does, but I can tell you they are decades behind right now.
 
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EasternVol said:
Do you think Lockheed or any other US company will ever build large passenger aircraft again?
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No. Lockheed probably doesn't know how to design airliners anymore. Maybe Elon Musk could get into the business. That would be interesting. I never flew it, but I never met a single pilot that didn't love the L-1011. The next entrant will be some cheap Chinese ****. Can't wait to see those.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Boeing's problems really got rolling when they moved their HQ from Seattle to Chicago to garner favor with Soetoro. The most recent move to DC has really solidified their mediocrity. It seems pretty obvious to me that they are not really all that interested in innovation in aircraft design, but they would rather stretch the existing designs they are hanging their hats on (737/787). Meanwhile Airbus has gone with a more common cockpit in that basically going from one to the other is a short school (saving companies training costs). The A350 is a bit of an exception because it has gone a step farther, but that is a whole different discussion. (btw, the A350 sends 2600 flight parameters a minute back to earth. The maintenance folks know before I do a lot of times if the airplane has an issue; some I don't ever know about). Airbus builds airplanes and innovates. I honestly don't know what Boeing commercial aircraft division does, but I can tell you they are decades behind right now.
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I think the DC move was to support the Defense-side of their business. They are putting a lot into that segment and it has been historically a large segment of their business.
 
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The video the Earls have been trying to pretend to didn't happen....a mob attack on the U.S. Capitol incited by the U.S. president and his lies, a mob attack that resulted in deaths for which Trump is directly responsible.

 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Boeing's problems really got rolling when they moved their HQ from Seattle to Chicago to garner favor with Soetoro. The most recent move to DC has really solidified their mediocrity. It seems pretty obvious to me that they are not really all that interested in innovation in aircraft design, but they would rather stretch the existing designs they are hanging their hats on (737/787). Meanwhile Airbus has gone with a more common cockpit in that basically going from one to the other is a short school (saving companies training costs). The A350 is a bit of an exception because it has gone a step farther, but that is a whole different discussion. (btw, the A350 sends 2600 flight parameters a minute back to earth. The maintenance folks know before I do a lot of times if the airplane has an issue; some I don't ever know about). Airbus builds airplanes and innovates. I honestly don't know what Boeing commercial aircraft division does, but I can tell you they are decades behind right now.
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What are the Airbus innovations you speak of? Certainly its "fly-by-wire" control system philosophy--more emphasis on automation compared to Boeing's more traditional approach of having the pilots have more direct input--as always been a key difference between the two companies--but I don't think it was a difference that gave Airbus any sort of significant sales advantage.

The Dreamliner (787) was a major Boeing innovation--a carbon-fiber fuselage that lowered the weight of the aircraft considerable and saves a lot of fuel for airlines. Earlier, the 777 was a major leap forward--a twin-engine long-haul aircraft. I had the good fortune to be taken on tour of the Boeing factory, some years ago, where they made 777's and 747's. Amazing experience. An absolutely massive facility, to say the least. I walked through the fuselage of a half-finished 777---reams of wires running along the length of the fuselage on both sides. Saw workers attaching fuel tanks to 747s. Cool stuff.

Critics say that Boeing lost its way when it turned to financial types to lead the company rather than the engineers who made it the gold-standard company that it long was. The company became too focused on the bottom line, and perhaps that is an indication of less attention to innovation and too much attention to profits. It's hard to say. Certainly, they should have completely redesigned the 737Max instead of just modifying the existing design--and then on top of that was the enormous software blunder that caused two major crashes. Disastrous decisions.

I don't think major innovations in commercial airliners are easy to come by. One Airbus innovation was the massive A380--the largest commercial aircraft ever built. It was not a success and is no longer being built. Airbus is a good company. It and Boeing have been in a two-company battle for airline orders for a long time. Of course, Boeing also gets a third of its revenue from defense contracts and it has got a new space capsule that I believe will be taking for the the space station this week.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think the DC move was to support the Defense-side of their business. They are putting a lot into that segment and it has been historically a large segment of their business.
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Sure, I get that. It's like they don't gas about the commercial aircraft part anymore though.
 
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utvolpj said:
How does that comparison make any sense at all? We should just stay out of this foreign war. I know it's hard but one day I'm sure conservatives will stop spending money we don't have
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I'm pretty certain the democrats want to give Ukraine money more than conservatives. Who am I kidding? That's just the divide amongst us plebes that vote. Our uni party is lockstep hand-in-hand funding both wars.
 
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