2024 Presidential Race

[utvolpj]

It strange because society definitely needs to a singular moral compass to follow so succeed. Citizens without a moral code cannot follow the same law and rules of those with different morals..that's is why assimilation from immigrants is important...it chaos otherwise..
Is it possible for government to make laws without some sort of moral code?? Im not sure, seems like we are trying to do that now and it's more chaotic then ever

No free society can have a singular moral code as all such codes are quite subjective. They're simply not compatible if you believe in the individual

 

[whodeycin85]

No free society can have a singular moral code as all such codes are quite subjective. They're simply not compatible if you believe in the individual

True I'd also argue the any truly free society would break down due to chaos...there is no way to enforce law or rules with a singular belief system..and truly free society doesn't exist and can't exist ImO

 

[utvolpj]

True I'd also argue the any truly free society would break down due to chaos...there is no way to enforce law or rules with a singular belief system..and truly free society doesn't exist and can't exist ImO

Increased freedom is possible with less regulation. Very few seek that anymore as abdication to bigger govt is the norm. The more you try to enforce some subjective moral code the less free a society becomes. People need to stop believing their way to live is the only right way

 

[volbound1700]

The moral code in the US pre-civil rights era was superior? How far back are you going from there?

You're also mentioning laws that violate liberty and freedom. You're in favor of those as long as they match your subjective moral code?

Not sure about superiority but it existed. We have 0 moral code today, that is the issue.

The key moral issue that I think impacts the USA is the lack of focus on family. I think the free love movement was the biggest disaster for our nation because it led to children being raised in horrible homes, no homes at all, or single-parent homes.

The two-parent, nuclear family is tied to historical success of Civilization. The push by Elites to get away from that is running our nation into the ground. It is especially harmful for minority and low-income families.

It is clear with the plummeting birth rates, increase in suicides, the constant difficult in dating/marriage (high divorce rate, incel movements, women's issues with increasing suicide, etc.), the higher crime rates, etc. that the decline of the family is causing a lot of issues.

Biggest issue is that EVERY CHILD deserves a safe home to be raised and we don't have that.

It wasn't perfect in the past either but it was stronger than today.

People also see a United States in the 1800s that expanded from East Coast to control North American Continent, went from backwater economy to the #1 Economy in the Globe by 1920, that won every war in the 1800s besides the war of 1812 (notably the successes of the Mexican-American and Spanish-American wars; USA would not win those type of wars today), freed the slaves/ended slavery, tamed the Wild West, built wonders like Mount Rushmore, steered us successfully through two World Wars, invented most of the modern technologies we have today that have made our life better, and had an educated system that eventually created the Scientists that invented the Atom Bomb, took us to the Atomic Age, and landed a man on the moon.

The 1800s and early 20th Century was very good for the United States. You can't argue with results.

If our Civilization was on track, we would have colonized the Moon and Mars by now, have raised more people out of poverty, wouldn't be $ 33 Trillion in debt, and would have flying cars (see Back to the Future II lol). Instead, our Civilization advancement has slowed dramatically, our education system is a mess despite having more money, staff, and regulations than ever, and our military/global influence is in decline.

I feel like the corruption and regulation brought by our government today is getting on par with the same systems that ran the USSR into the ground and has kept Latin American nations from becoming players on the Global Sphere (Brazil is one of the greatest enigmas in history because with the land area, population, education, and resources that Brazil possess, they should be one of the major global powers but they have almost 0 impact in the Global/Political sphere).

 

[volbound1700]

Increased freedom is possible with less regulation. Very few seek that anymore as abdication to bigger govt is the norm. The more you try to enforce some subjective moral code the less free a society becomes. People need to stop believing their way to live is the only right way

Somewhat agree but I am just not a fan of Diversity. I keep hearing it brings results but I don't see any positive results from it. Now, different skin colors is immaterial to me and I think having a multi-racial society is beneficial.

However, different ideas and beliefs (i.e. Muslim, Atheism, Satanism, and Christian beliefs all being slapped together even though they have different value systems) is problematic and creates division.

Unity is positive. Some of the most successful species on Earth (ants and bees for example) rely on unity and unified thought to survive and prosper.

The fact is that our society today is literally trying to rectify ideas like Satanism and Christianity together when Satanism's very point is to be the polar opposite of Christianity.

Our moral system today is literally do what you think is "right."

The Jan 6 and BLM riots are great example of how harmful this ideology can be when put into the public sphere. Most Civilizations in history (or practical all besides the USA) would have put down these riots violently.

 

[volbound1700]

It strange because society definitely needs to a singular moral compass to follow so succeed. Citizens without a moral code cannot follow the same law and rules of those with different morals..that's is why assimilation from immigrants is important...it chaos otherwise..
Is it possible for government to make laws without some sort of moral code?? Im not sure, seems like we are trying to do that now and it's more chaotic then ever

John Adams and the Founding Fathers basically said this exact thing.

Philosophically, the modern USA has drifted heavily from the way our Founders saw our Government and even how they saw the world.

 

[volbound1700]

Increased freedom is possible with less regulation. Very few seek that anymore as abdication to bigger govt is the norm. The more you try to enforce some subjective moral code the less free a society becomes. People need to stop believing their way to live is the only right way

The issue is that the Government (by policy) isn't driving the moral decay in our society. It is primarily coming out of the Entertainment and Educational systems.

In truth, the real moral decay of the West is heavily tied back to the French Revolution and then World War I and the nihilism/questioning of authority that came out of the trenches in Europe played a part as well. Radical ideologies such as Nazism, Communism, and Fascisms stepped in to replace the void of removing the Catholic Church, European Monarchies, and the Old System. These ideologies would never have been able to take route during the Golden Era of European history for example (1500s-1700s).

 

[volbound1700]

One law that would truly drive fairness in this country and perhaps solve a lot of Financial headache for businesses and resources is making a law regarding standardized terms for indemnity and liability in contracts.

Right now, it is all about leverage so large companies that are vital (such as Microsoft with regard to Windows) can push for any IT Security or Indemnity language that they want in a contract with a smaller business.

If you put all indemnity language under the UCC and basically made the "at fault" party always responsible, it would solve a lot of headaches trying to get contracts in place between businesses and save tons of money on legal fees (the legal industry would hate it and 1/4 of attorneys would lose their job).

Technically the UCC isn't even a law as states adopt it based on their rulings but it is the manual which most states follow.

Reigning in the insurance industry would be nice as well.

 

[BreatheUT]

@volbound1700 must've gone on lunch break early.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It strange because society definitely needs to a singular moral compass to follow so succeed. Citizens without a moral code cannot follow the same law and rules of those with different morals..that's is why assimilation from immigrants is important...it chaos otherwise..
Is it possible for government to make laws without some sort of moral code?? Im not sure, seems like we are trying to do that now and it's more chaotic then ever

Governmental moral code is the biggest oxymoron I can fathom

 

[volbound1700]

Governmental moral code is the biggest oxymoron I can fathom

To be fair, I think it needs to be driven more from the culture than the government.

I think the culture of the USA is problematic today as well. You can't fix culture with Government Regulation.

Edit: Sorry for all the posts, I thought others were posting. My posts were spaced out but this thread was dead during that time.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

To be fair, I think it needs to be driven more from the culture than the government.

I think the culture of the USA is problematic today as well. You can't fix culture with Government Regulation.

Edit: Sorry for all the posts, I thought others were posting. My posts were spaced out but this thread was dead during that time.

Government is too big and to intrusive. Period

 

[BreatheUT]

This could also go under the Amateur Hour thread.

You could see Biden's cheat sheet reflecting from the mirrors on his shades. It was the most hilarious thing.

SEAN HANNITY: President Biden didn't go anywhere without his trusty, giant cheat sheets​

Sean Hannity shreds Biden's scripted appearances​

SEAN HANNITY: President Biden didn't go anywhere without his trusty, giant cheat sheets

Fox News host Sean Hannity calls out President Biden for using cheat sheets during his interviews with reporters on "Hannity."

www.foxnews.com

 

[whodeycin85]

To be fair, I think it needs to be driven more from the culture than the government.

I think the culture of the USA is problematic today as well. You can't fix culture with Government Regulation.

Edit: Sorry for all the posts, I thought others were posting. My posts were spaced out but this thread was dead during that time.

Government should be run according to the moral standards set by society. I don't believe there is a way to completely separate religion from government rules...I Believe the FFs Iideal was that each state was to govern themselves with the ideals that each states socially wanted..hence the reason for a Republic of states..

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Presidential candidate Cornel West announces BLM leader as his running mate​

Independent presidential candidate Cornel West announced that Melina Abdullah, a prominent Black Lives Matter activist and professor, will be his 2024 running mate.

Abdullah is the controversial former chairwoman of Pan-African Studies at California State University, Los Angeles, and one of the co-founders of the Los Angeles chapter of BLM. West made the announcement on Wednesday in an episode of the Tavis Smiley show on KBLA radio.



Independent presidential candidate Cornel West and his running mate, Melina Abdullah.

Abdullah is known for several controversial statements that went viral on social media in February after she alleged the Kansas City Chiefs’ victory in the Super Bowl was a white supremacist conspiracy and that Taylor Swift fans are racist.

“Why do I feel like it’s slightly racist to be a Taylor Swift fan?” she said in February.

Presidential candidate Cornel West announces BLM leader as his running mate - Washington Examiner

Cornel West announced that his running mate for the 2024 election will be Black Lives Matter activist Melina Abdullah.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Vol737]

Biggest problem is gas prices.

But they don’t include food and energy in the inflation numbers…which is utterly ridiculous to me since those are probably to two most important indicators when considering choices by American families/consumers. Economist use “core” inflation numbers only because of the volatility of food and energy, but I still think they should factor in….the TWO biggest factors. But that’s just me.

 

[lawgator1]

But they don’t include food and energy in the inflation numbers…which is utterly ridiculous to me since those are probably to two most important indicators when considering choices by American families/consumers. Economist use “core” inflation numbers only because of the volatility of food and energy, but I still think they should factor in….the TWO biggest factors. But that’s just me.

They use different measures, yes. I think an argument can be made that even where it is not directly included the costs of fuel (be it shipping or driving to work) manages to get in there since it drives costs of good and services on top.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

RFK Jr. Appeals to Trump Supporters by Pledging to Close Border, Probe January 6 Prosecutions​

Kennedy has also criticized CNN and stressed the need to reduce the deficit.

Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is appealing to supporters of former President Donald Trump by pledging to crack down on illegal immigration and investigate the prosecution of Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot defendants.

Kennedy’s campaign said in an email last week that he would appoint a special counsel to “investigate whether prosecutorial discretion was abused for political ends in this case. And I will right any wrongs that we discover,” Axios reported Wednesday.

Clarifying his stance on the day during an interview this week on NewsNation, Kennedy said: “I think it was a protest that turned into a riot. I don’t know what your definition of an insurrection is, but if your definition is armed men who were intending to take over the United States government, it wasn’t that. People committed criminal acts, and those people deserve to be in jail.”

RFK Jr. Appeals to Trump Supporters by Pledging to Close Border, Probe January 6 Prosecutions | The Star News Network

thestarnewsnetwork.com

 

[hog88]

Government should be run according to the moral standards set by society. I don't believe there is a way to completely separate religion from government rules...I Believe the FFs Iideal was that each state was to govern themselves with the ideals that each states socially wanted..hence the reason for a Republic of states..

WTF? What are the moral standards of our society? Sounds like something Luther would post.

The government federal all the way down to the local level should be run in strict adherence to the constitution and their charters. Call that the "moral standard" if you want.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

WTF? What are the moral standards of our society? Sounds like something Luther would post.

The government federal all the way down to the local level should be run in strict adherence to the constitution and their charters. Call that the "moral standard" if you want.

Luther would cite the greater good as a way towards conformity or obedience to the govt.

 

[evillawyer]

He's a blabbering idiot.

 

[whodeycin85]

WTF? What are the moral standards of our society? Sounds like something Luther would post.

The government federal all the way down to the local level should be run in strict adherence to the constitution and their charters. Call that the "moral standard" if you want.

Do you believe the rape of non American women should be legal? Just answer there's a point coming

 

[hog88]

Do you believe the rape of non American women should be legal? Just answer there's a point coming

LOL I Dying to find out.

No, I do not believe the rape of non American women should be legal.

 

[whodeycin85]

LOL I Dying to find out.

No, I do not believe the rape of non American women should be legal.

Ok because in certain societies that is an allowed legal and socially morally acceptable behavior...by our Christian based societal morals it's wrong...

 

[hog88]

Ok because in certain societies that is an allowed legal and socially morally acceptable behavior...by our Christian based societal morals it's wrong...

That hasn't always been the case within Christianity. Plus I wouldn't want a Hindu/Muslim/Buddhist/ banned from opening his store on Sunday because Christian morality says it's not acceptable.

I value freedom and as long as what you are doing is not hurting others IDK.