Recruiting Football Talk VII

[MemphisVol3]

Does he have a covid year?

Even if he did, he’s probably a surefire Lottery pick. He’s gone.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Huh. They seem like the last people that would say that.

I mean, if conference coaches are calling their league champion “fool’s gold,” what does that say about them?

it could have just been Seth Davis making crap up. The news is full of liars

 

[jave36]

Lady Vols ending...far more disappointing than losing to Kentucky on senior night.

I mean I wanted the Vols to win, DK sure had a hell of a game...but the rest of the team didn't seem very engaged on offense until it was too little too late. Feel bad Santi's last game in TBA he scores 0 on 0-5 shooting, that was the hardest part. But being part of the SECT championship team and an outright SEC Regular season title will be his lasting legacy, not one game. I really would love our first Final Four for this team because coach Barnes and this group of men deserve it.

As great as DK is we have lost 3 games where he scored 30 or more. Not sure what happens with the rest of the team...it's like they just stop trying or something.

Aidoo has been on a tear...so I won't harp on him much. He has averaged 14.6 points these last 8 games. But JJJ & Santi play way too many minutes to give us nights where they score 0 or 2 or 4. Final Four means 3 or 4 guys need to be scoring 10+ every night.

Santi especially. I get he's a leader and plays good defense, but I don't think very many final 4 teams get there with that kind of starter.

 

[UTSuave’]

Houston and UCONN are really dangerous teams. Purdue is more or less Edey with a lot of officiating bias. Good team but those other two will absolutely take our A game to beat.

Purdue will lose in the tourney again…that’s my first big upset going early

 

[Devo182]

You’re overthinking it. I probably wouldn’t have fouled either, but they did and they were still in great shape. Like, almost can’t lose shape.

At that point, they’re inbounding from mid court with a second left. You have a foul to give, so you can afford to defend the inbounds as aggressively as you want. You can make it nearly impossible to get a clean catch.

The absolute worst thing you can do, at that point, is just let someone catch and shoot cleanly, even if it’s a center. Even token defense would likely have been enough to prevent a clean catch and shot.

This has absolutely zero to do with the last play defense. Of course it stunk.


What I'm saying is the foul is what put them into that position. Absolute dumbest foul imaginable. There's no way you can hope for a less than 1% shot. Even if you force them into a desperation 3 - what are the odds? 10%?

They literally aren't going to throw it backwards, so how does their shot get worse?!?!? And if it's not going to be worse, WHY FOUL?

 

[jave36]

Huh. They seem like the last people that would say that.

I mean, if conference coaches are calling their league champion “fool’s gold,” what does that say about them?

Fools gold is a dumb description. We're inconsistent and overly reliant on one player, but fools gold makes it seem like we're just lucky or got on a hot streak for short period.

We've proven we're an elite team, even in an elite league (this year anyway) we're at the top.

 

[SugarCC]

She’s just mediocre. Can’t wait for a change eventually. The UNLV coach that played at Stanford and was an assistant at Belmont and Stanford has done a phenomenal job. Plus she’s a woman if it checks any boxes for the admin or whatever. Highly successful championship pedigree outside of the Pat tree… I just don’t get why they’re so stuck on mediocrity

Other than the obvious, idk who that is. My pick, for years now, has been Jeff Waltz, and it continues to be...I believe he'd win National Championships leading the Lady Vols. Yet, who knows if he'd leave now...that program, and ALL of it's success is credited to him, he IS that program, you know.

Although she has even less experience as a HC than Molly Miller, Lindy La Rocque has worked a miracle at UNLV, and she's pretty damn good, imo...at least everything I have read and researched about her; ive watched them play some, and they looked good in those brief moments. She's only 34 years old, played under VanDerveer at Stanford.

UNLV had not been to the tournament in 20 years whenever she took over as HC in 2020; and, had been awful to very meaty okra going back even longer...La Rocque led them to the tourney in her second season, and this year will be her 3rd tourney in 4 seasons; and, she's had them in the Top 25 the last three seasons, somewhere they had not been in decades. They, also, had not won a conference tourney since 1994, and she's won it back to back, and will be favored again this year. She's 96-21 overall there, and that's with going 15-9 in her first season.

She also was an assistant at Belmont for 2 seasons, so she's familiar with the state.

I'm not saying she's the one...just saying she's interesting, and has built a very good program in Vegas, from absolutely NOTHING. And, it's highly unlikely the hire would be a Staley or Mulkey, someone like that, if White does fire Kellie; so, we'd have to look at up and comers.

Posted this a couple of weeks ago...

 

[MemphisVol3]

Purdue will lose again in the tourney again…that’s my first big upset going early

Could def see it. They struggle with teams that can run because Edey can’t keep up.

 

[knoxvol52]

Lost vs #1 and #15 by 5 combined points.

Negas to need to find a woman/man/AI

Ffs

Both teams fought back and came up short.




Lady Vols were down 23 points and lost on a lucky ass bank shot by a 6'7" center who had made ZERO 3 pointers in her 3 year career.

I would have let her shoot that shot all day long.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Even if he did, he’s probably a surefire Lottery pick. He’s gone.

(My post you responded to should have been in blue font, my apologies for any confusion I caused.)

 

[Glitch]

Welp, today sucked pretty bad.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Up by 2 with 1 second on the clock and you give them a wide-open winning shot. That is bad. That's a coach that doesn't know what she's doing.

Yes, that was a fireable offense!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I agree. If we make it to the Final 4 (I’m hoping we do), and run up against Houston or UCONN, we’d likely need a 30+ point performance from DK and 3 players in the 15pt range to back him up. I could see Aidoo, ZZ being 2 of them, but we are at our best when JJJ can get 10-15, along with them.

Yeah, I honestly can't think of any team that we lose to if DK scores 20+, Aidoo and ZZ 15+ and then you get around 20 from Santi/JJJ.

We aren't a bench team (like Kentucky) we need our starters to score to be unstoppable. And as great as we've been this year we STILL haven't gotten a game where it really "clicked" for every starter the same night. At Rupp was the closest and DK only shot 35.7 FG so despite having 16 he left some points out there.

 

[knoxvol52]

Well first NCAA bid is tonight game between Morehead State vs Arkansas Little-Rock..

 

[volbeast33]

So my dad, I was just talking to him..... He follows the LV way closer than I do. Thinks she comes back.... his reasoning is there's only one name that could turn things around and she isn't coming.

only one name….. WTH…. there are plenty of good coaches out there…. Its up to DW to find one.

 

[Devo182]

We weren't out of timeouts. She turned one down before powell shot thr FT.

Say you don't know basketball without saying you don't know basketball. The foul was great strategy. They had 1.1 seconds after that foul. It was a pure catch and shoot only situation. Problem is they decided not to guard.

Ok what I saw on TV was no timeouts.


- I played basketball, I know basketball I admit I don't know football...but I know bball.

- You're telling me what is the distance of nearly a 3/4 court shot...from a female college basketball player...not named Caitlin Clark is 10% or better?

- You think a catch and shoot is less than 1%?

I literally imagined them just catching it down low with their tallest player and either potentially getting fouled or hitting a layup. SO many things can go wrong. At worst for them - they end up with a well-guarded 3. Is that below a 1% chance? Hell nah.


Whether you want to admit it or not, AWFUL coaching (or player) decision to foul IF you just look at the odds.

It's simple math. Don't overthink it.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Santi especially. I get he's a leader and plays good defense, but I don't think very many final 4 teams get there with that kind of starter.

I am just hoping this is the cold stretch before the hot steak with him...

He's had 5 nights where he went 0-X from deep in this stretch of 8 games to close out the year. Last time he was in a bit of a cold spell he then had 4 games in a row with 10+ and shot a combined 9 of 19 from deep.

 

[Jimmy Football]

This has absolutely zero to do with the last play defense. Of course it stunk.


What I'm saying is the foul is what put them into that position. Absolute dumbest foul imaginable. There's no way you can hope for a less than 1% shot. Even if you force them into a desperation 3 - what are the odds? 10%?

They literally aren't going to throw it backwards, so how does their shot get worse?!?!? And if it's not going to be worse, WHY FOUL?

A decent defended inbounds probably results in “no shot” a good percentage of the time. It’s so difficult for a guarded inbounder at half court to get the ball to a defended player in a good position and her get a good look with 1.1 seconds left.

I agree they shouldn’t have fouled, but it probably dropped their win chances from like 99.9% to 99.5%, if a defense was competently set up.

 

[UTSuave’]

Both teams fought back and came up short.




Lady Vols were down 23 points and lost on a lucky ass bank shot by a 6'7" center who had made ZERO 3 pointers in her 3 year career.

I would have let her shoot that shot all day long.

Same! They can have that bs

 

[jave36]

I am just hoping this is the cold stretch before the hot steak with him...

He's had 5 nights where he went 0-X from deep in this stretch of 8 games to close out the year. Last time he was in a bit of a cold spell he then had 4 games in a row with 10+ and shot a combined 9 of 19 from deep.

He's missing a ton of layups too. He just looks bad this year.

But ya if he gets hot and pulls his weight we could win it all. Just need any 1 other shooter besides DK to have a good night every night and we can win it all. Aidoo and DK can't be the only two.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Announcer calling our team fools gold really pissed me off. I am thinking it's a CBS signal that Arizona is going to be the one seed. IMO, If our guys play defense with the intensity that they did the last few minutes of that game, we should go far in NCAA--- even if our offense is quite a bit of Dalton Knecht.

The fool’s gold statement screams butt hurt. Probably a quote straight from Nate Oats or Buzz Williams.

I do have concerns about our reliance on DK, but every team has vulnerabilities. We aren’t alone in that. Today’s loss as frustrating as it was doesn’t significantly alter my view of this team. We’re still good enough to go all the way. We’re still bad enough to go home in the second round if no one but DK is scoring.

 

[Volunteer821]

Ok what I saw on TV was no timeouts.


- I played basketball, I know basketball I admit I don't know football...but I know bball.

- You're telling me what is the distance of nearly a 3/4 court shot...from a female college basketball player...not named Caitlin Clark is 10% or better?

- You think a catch and shoot is less than 1%?

I literally imagined them just catching it down low with their tallest player and either potentially getting fouled or hitting a layup. SO many things can go wrong. At worst for them - they end up with a well-guarded 3. Is that below a 1% chance? Hell nah.


Whether you want to admit it or not, AWFUL coaching (or player) decision to foul IF you just look at the odds.

It's simple math. Don't overthink it.

I think she threw up the shot after the foul trying to go to the line instead of a floor foul. I could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me..

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Up by 2 with 1 second on the clock and you give them a wide-open winning shot. That is bad. That's a coach that doesn't know what she's doing.

On the flip side one could argue she out coached the best women’s coach in the nation for 99.99% of the game

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

The face of someone who knows they just their chance at returning next season down the toilet View attachment 626064

No, that’s the face of someone who knows she doesn’t have a clue what she’s doing, and that she’s doing a huge disservice to Pat’s legacy. Pat would puke if she saw that one of her former players choked away a win like that against the best team in the country.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

No...but, being 12-36 against the Top 25 is.

Good point