2024 Presidential Race

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luthervol said:
All true. Which begs the question, why nominate a piece of sh!t that the other side hates?
If we agree that the president has little to no direct impact, then pick someone who is more of a overall uniter than divider.
Unless of course, you want the country to be divided.
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I have no power or influence of who is nominated. No central planner in any party does. You have mentioned before that society decides norms and those things shift as society shifts. Society in the R party is deciding who they want as their nominee. Are you saying society decides until they decide on someone you find revolting?
 
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VOLS INC. said:
And yet none of them would unify this country anymore than any other candidate.
Not by any measure. Or by any continuum. Stop letting your feelings blind you.

Everyone should seriously reflect on their top 5 issues, for them and their family. And then they should vote for the Candidate (that’s actually running for President. Unlike Liz, Romney, and Big Mike) they believe will fight for those issues the hardest. That’s what I’m going to do and that’s why, as of now, I unapologetically support Trump for President.
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Sure they would.

I think most of us vote "issues", I know I certainly do....which is why I will unapologetically support "anybody but trump".

Plus, this thread was just discussing that there are some issues on which the president simply has little to no impact.
It may be an issue that is very important to you, but you need to be wise enough to know if it's something where the president actually makes a difference.

So pick your five issues, jus make sure they are issues impacted by a president.
Warning: You may find yourself approaching "feelings".
(and it's beyond stupid to operate under the assumption that feelings are not sometimes appropriately relevant)
There are times when it's the most relevant of all considerations.
 
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luthervol said:
I agreed that it was every candidate of every party of every election....past, present, and future
BUT NEVER TO THE SAME DEGREES.
And since it is every candidate of every party of every election, the only thing that can be significant is those degrees.
You guys and your equivalencies.................

There is no universe in which all candidates should generate the same levels of fear and concern. That's simply asinine.
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Ok. So we agree that many (most, maybe all) of the pols are the same. It is only the degree that separate who is palatable and who isn't. And frankly, with most pols, we only see the very public and polished version. So, what we find palatable or detestable isn't really an authentic version of them.
 
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luthervol said:
A Romney type.
Someone who is not rabidly supported by the extreme arm of their own party - from either side.
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Romney had a shot. The Rs who drive the nomination process and vote in the general found him uninspiring.

Plus, news flash, Romney isn't running.
 
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McDad said:
I have no power or influence of who is nominated. No central planner in any party does. You have mentioned before that society decides norms and those things shift as society shifts. Society in the R party is deciding who they want as their nominee. Are you saying society decides until they decide on someone you find revolting?
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I'm not sure I understand the question.
Obviously there is a large enough pro-Trump segment of the republican party society for him to be the nominee 3 straight times. The fact that I find that revolting only means that I try my best to change and/or negate those decisions to the best of my ability.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not sure I understand the question.
Obviously there is a large enough pro-Trump segment of the republican party society for him to be the nominee 3 straight times. The fact that I find that revolting only means that I try my best to change and/or negate those decisions to the best of my ability.
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Are you a registered Republican?
 
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McDad said:
Romney had a shot. The Rs who drive the nomination process and vote in the general found him uninspiring.

Plus, news flash, Romney isn't running.
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Romney blew his chance during the Crowley debate, he showed that he had no backbone and gave up the presidency. Granted, he didn't have much of a shot to begin with but the shot he had he just tossed it away.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You just posted about 10 social media posts from Republicans spinning the numbers .... Do you really think that Muslims are going to vote for Trump? He did once try to impose a ban on travelers from Muslim countries, after all. Trump has also said that, if elected, he would bar Gaza refugees from settling in the United States. Muslim Americans will either vote for Biden or not vote at all.

apnews.com

Trump, campaigning in Iowa, vows to ban Gaza refugees from US if he wins a second term

Former President Donald Trump is vowing to bar refugees from Gaza and expand his first-term travel ban following the deadly attack on Israel last week.
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not voting at all is the problem for Biden

Trump got more primary votes than Biden did. Does primary turnout predict election turnout? Not per se but the GOP turned out in larger numbers and even with Trump getting 2/3rds his total exceeded Biden's.

No way to spin the Michigan results as anything but bad for Biden.
 
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McDad said:
Romney had a shot. The Rs who drive the nomination process and vote in the general found him uninspiring.

Plus, news flash, Romney isn't running.
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Luther doesn't care if somebody is running or not. He wants the party elites to just ignore the primaries and install their chosen nominee at the convention.
 
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McDad said:
Romney had a shot. The Rs who drive the nomination process and vote in the general found him uninspiring.

Plus, news flash, Romney isn't running.
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I said Romney type, plus I was simply answering Hog's hypothetical.

The whole point was that we have been making sh!t decisions for no good reason, so the fact that Romney had his chance is irrelevant.
 
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McDad said:
I have no power or influence of who is nominated. No central planner in any party does. You have mentioned before that society decides norms and those things shift as society shifts. Society in the R party is deciding who they want as their nominee. Are you saying society decides until they decide on someone you find revolting?
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well in 2016 the Dem central planners (via the super delegates) chose Hillary over Bernie...
 
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luthervol said:
I said Romney type, plus I was simply answering Hog's hypothetical.

The whole point was that we have been making sh!t decisions for no good reason, so the fact that Romney had his chance is irrelevant.
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Should society have the ability to choose who represents them, or not?
 
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luthervol said:
I said Romney type, plus I was simply answering Hog's hypothetical.

The whole point was that we have been making sh!t decisions for no good reason, so the fact that Romney had his chance is irrelevant.
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If there is a Romney type running and they are failing to connect with the voters in the primary, then fretting over it on your end isn't going to do anything at all except give you worry lines.
 
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volinbham said:
not voting at all is the problem for Biden

Trump got more primary votes than Biden did. Does primary turnout predict election turnout? Not per se but the GOP turned out in larger numbers and even with Trump getting 2/3rds his total exceeded Biden's.

No way to spin the Michigan results as anything but bad for Biden.
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I bet a bunch of dems voted in the repub primary. I know there is lots of crossover in GA and Michigan allows the same.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not sure if you register with a party in GA. If you do, then I'm sure I registered as a dem.
I have voted in some republican primaries and likely will this go around.
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So, you voting in the primary (if allowed) is you living up to this conviction

The fact that I find that revolting only means that I try my best to change and/or negate those decisions to the best of my ability.

I say, kudos to you. You are doing all you can, unless you are going to donate large sums and campaign for Trump's opponents. Side note, I think I've only read one person who participates in the PF who has admitted to working for a campaign.
 
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