2024 Presidential Race

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K-town Vol Fan said:
Laughable. I wonder when Trump last prayed or attended a service that wasn't just for show. He is the worst type of Christian, a completely FAKE one. And there is no "our" religion in the US. That type of talk is sure to lose him an election.
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Don't mistake Trump's belief that Christianity is good for the country with a belief that Christianity is good for him to follow personally. Big difference.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
@W.TN.Orange Blood posted the video in post #11,672 of this thread. Give it a look and tell me if you would describe that as pandering?
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Pandering =/= doing away with billions of dollars of student debt. All politicians pander but I'm pretty positive there are laws against bribing people to vote for you.

And it is bribery.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Right .... but Trump said that Russia wasn't also involved.
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While I am sure Russia has hackers working on similar items, I will say I do have a friend who is CEO of a digital security company with gov contracts and who has personally won DEFCON hacking contests.

He told me that when he went in for the US gov, he traced the activity for solarwinds directly to China's cloud. He didnt see any traces of Russian.

Now perhaps that was just the area he was looking in but take it for what its worth. He is from India himself originally and isnt political. One of the few people who has beaten me at chess.
 
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Gandalf said:
Don't mistake Trump's belief that Christianity is good for the country with a belief that Christianity is good for him to follow personally. Big difference.
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He wants the votes. Then again, there are several people out there including the blogger whatifalthist and Ben Shapiro who don't claim to be Christians but advocate Christian positions because that ties more into an American ideal in the past they think we should bring back.

I think it is more that some people want ideals like:

1. Slow down of sleeping around outside of marriage and restoring marriage
2. Greater accountability for people making wrong decisions
3. To be fair, a lot of MAGA and Christianity is hostile to LGBT causes
4. Focus on a family-oriented cultural norm

Ironically, this has been common throughout history. We find writing after writing in Rome from pretty much every generation about how Rome lost its ideals and needs to return to a golden age of the past. Basically a Make Rome Great Again argument. Every civilization goes through this and there is some truth. Societies that are honest, family-oriented, more virtuous, more prudent, etc. tend to prosper while societies that are more materialistic, selfish, and sexually excessive tend to decline.

However, I am not sure if Trump is really about this or just about getting that vote. I think Trump somewhat believes, in his mindset, that America lost its way and in MAGA. The guy could make more money not being in politics but he seems all over the place and frankly, I don't see as much in common with MAGA fans and Trump on beliefs.

Trump and MAGA should NEVER have been a thing in the first place and frankly, to me, is a backlash (although an immature one) to current problems in our government and society. An early Southpark Episode about Mr. Garrison running for President as a representative of Trump hit it on the mark.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is always the only thing the MAGA crowd has to contribute. It's old, stupid, tired, and boring .... and in perpetual denial of what Trump has said and done regarding Russia.

..... but then again, old, stupid, tired and boring pretty much sums up the MAGA crowd, anyway.
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Yeah I guess it was stupid that got me a Chancellor’s Citation for Extraordinary Academic Achievement and #1 in my class at UTK in Chemical Engineering LOL.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It's called trying to buy votes in an election year...
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Most of the student loan relief isn't Biden doing anything; it is just applying the laws that has already been approved by Congress....

Isn't that the argument I hear on gun control: apply the laws already on the books
 
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