Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Jimmy Football]

No, apparently he is. So he's the Chairman of a subcommittee, essentially. A UF deputy AD is on that board as well, but it didn't seem to prevent them from being investigated.

Regardless, Morehead is hardly the "Chairman of the NCAA," a position that doesn't even exist by that name.

That’s splitting hairs, but it doesn’t really matter to me. I don’t actually think Georgia has anything to do with this.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

The last sentence needs to be in blue font. What a joke!

 

[Jimmy Football]

TN and VA: “It’s a violation of the Sherman Act to prohibit NIL offers to potential recruits.”

NCAA: “But we’re committed to prohibiting those!”

 

[jordan4vols]

Doesn’t read like “they don’t have anything to stand on” but more along the lines of “this won’t help us enforce rules”

 

[VolGee4]

No, apparently he is. So he's the Chairman of a subcommittee, essentially. A UF deputy AD is on that board as well, but it didn't seem to prevent them from being investigated.

Regardless, Morehead is hardly the "Chairman of the NCAA," a position that doesn't even exist by that name.

Charlie Baker sits on that board though, as the President. It’s like a company having a BOD and its CEO. The Board of Directors essentially hired Baker. So, those people have influence. I agree that UGA probably has nothing to do with it, but there are certainly agendas in these type of positions.

 

[Orange_Crush]

They skeert.

 

[screenthis]

I don't disagree with the last sentence. Controlling NIL to some degree regarding 'recruitment inducements' seems wise. Now, how many schools have done that very thing though? How exactly is that defined?

 

[85SugarVol]

Yes, this has been in the works for months. UT knew it was coming, assembled a legal team, mobilized support, developed strategy, drafted and redrafted legal docs, got approval up the chain, prepared to execute and did just that. UT warned the NCAA and so did the AG. I wouldn't say the NCAA was exactly blindsided. Underestimated Tennessee and miscalculated consequences-- obviously.

What are the “major sanctions” that the TN AG and the NCAA messenger boy Forde both alluded to?

 

[UTProf]

And here we thought we'd be bored between the season ending and waiting for spring practice.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Doesn’t read like “they don’t have anything to stand on” but more along the lines of “this won’t help us enforce rules”

It was two things:

1- A clumsy attempt to put a steak on a public black eye in hopes that it'll prevent swelling.
2- An apparent schizophrenic passing personal accountability off to its other personality.

 

[Jimmy Football]

I don't disagree with the last sentence. Controlling NIL to some degree regarding 'recruitment inducements' seems wise. Now, how many schools have done that very thing though? How exactly is that defined?

Our AG is preparing to argue that, wise or not, it isn’t legal. And a judge is probably going to agree with him.

 

[Palm Beach Vol]

The NCAA response has Nick Saban all over it. The "Neighboring States" crap is a dead giveaway!

VFL...GBO

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't disagree with the last sentence. Controlling NIL to some degree regarding 'recruitment inducements' seems wise. Now, how many schools have done that very thing though? How exactly is that defined?

"Inducement" == right to freely negotiate their NIL?

What isn't being discussed there is actually what's at the center of the lawsuit: Anti-trust laws and collusion. Does the NCAA have the right to prevent student athletes from an open market to negotiate their NIL values to the fullest extent?

The NCAA's response? "We're trying to protect the student athletes from an open market at the request of those colluding to prevent the open market."

The NCAA == the universities == the colluders. When sued for collusion, they make a public statement confirming the collusion. lol smdh

 

[LaagerVol]

Long winded way of saying Nick Saban really doesn’t like Tennessee being good again and he, the university of Alabama, and uga implored us to do something, to protect the “sanctity” of the sport. And since those institutions and nick saban himself are bastions of innocence, we felt impelled to oblige.

 

[Vols4us]

Folks, this whole thing comes down to claimed authority. NCAA claims authority as a member organization. SCOTUS says, "Not so fast." Federal and state laws govern any entity organized under those same laws. Any authority must come from them. They don't have it when it comes to this.

Any person or entity can claim authority over any issue without actually having it. Call the bluff and they start doing exactly what the NCAA is doing now and will continue to do until they give in or are blown up.

 

[JCVol00]

Hey yall, it’s been pretty quiet in here today! I haven’t seen this posted so I thought I’d post it. It looks like we are suing the NCAA!

 

[LaagerVol]

The NCAA response has Nick Saban all over it. The "Neighboring States" crap is a dead giveaway!

VFL...GBO

Seems pretty obvious

 

[05_never_again]

Charlie Baker sits on that board though, as the President. It’s like a company having a BOD and its CEO. The Board of Directors essentially hired Baker. So, those people have influence. I agree that UGA probably has nothing to do with it, but there are certainly agendas in these type of positions.

There are, but there are so many competing agendas at the individual school level. Look how many individual schools are represented on those boards. I highly, highly doubt a single school has any kind of real influence.

Of course, the schools (especially the big sports schools) have common interests, and those interests do get advanced. But at the individual school level, no.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

When Saban realizes he has become a paper tiger, I think he and Miss Terry will retire into private life.

That little dip is so used to being treated like a God by everybody (hell we got tons of idiots on this board that bend down and excitedly kiss his little cheating troll ass) that he just naturally assumes he just dictate terms to everyone.

 

[85SugarVol]

Well, not to sound too much like Ayn Rand, but the ability to create ex post facto laws gives authority to make anyone a criminal at any given time, for any given reason. The desire to create ex post facto laws indicates the motive to make someone a criminal.

Oh lord… Ayn Rand. Lol gonna give @Jackcrevol a seizure

 

[LA Vol]

What are the “major sanctions” that the TN AG and the NCAA messenger boy Forde both alluded to?

I didn't read Forde, so I can't comment in that context, but the NCAA's weapons are Lack of Institutional Control and a postseason ban, both of which the NCAA pushed last time. They were forced to back off both when the AG got involved and weren't happy about it. Coming after UT in the probationary window allows them to treat UT as a repeat violator, reopening the door to a LOIC and harsher sanctions, including threatening to keep UT out of the playoffs.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Lying pieces of

 

[HalfullVol]

The ambiguity around the NIL guidelines, as interpreted by the NCAA, will provide the cushion for member schools to distance themselves from much of a penalty seemingly.

This isn't a certainty but the NCAA is seemingly "dug-in" after they started this action without recourse and this will not be settled for some time resulting in uncertainty around programs being investigated.

Who knows how this plays out but I'm sensing confidence in the member schools given the number of schools and states pushing back against the NCAA.

What precedents exist to support the case against the NCAA?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh lord… Ayn Rand. Lol gonna give @Jackcrevol a seizure

She should give many staunch republicans just as much heartburn, as she was against crony capitalism just as much as she was against communism and socialism. lol

Libertarians: Personal freedoms and personal responsibilities.

 

[volinexile17]

Remember all those people who crapped on Donde and said we should have told the NCAA to go screw?

Today is why that was wrong. Because we took the actions we did when we clearly broke the rules, we now have credibility when we say hell naw, we did it the right way. The optics are all in our favor here.