Recruiting Football Talk VII

[TrippieRedd]

Yawn. With his main competition being Nebraska, Indiana, and Northwestern.

Literally the dumbest thing you could’ve replied back with

 

[Volnut]

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I'm about sick of seeing people try to justify a win for bama. However you word it, if you ain't saying "Go Blue" today, then you're saying "row tie".... and that ain't cool.


GO VOLS

Michigan wins today, Washington/Texas winner wins next week and all is good!

 

[KB5252]

Let's get it done gentlemen! Go Vols!

 

[jave36]

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I'm about sick of seeing people try to justify a win for bama. However you word it, if you ain't saying "Go Blue" today, then you're saying "row tie".... and that ain't cool.


GO VOLS

Like for the gif.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Now do high school sports.

OK. I'd support them getting the same benefits. The only question is whether the consumerism market would allow the same amounts of money to be involved.

It's not a very good argument for a system, when it's being argued to be illegal, to merely say, "It also exists there..."

 

[Volnut]

Lol Camo with the concrete?

Surprised he didn't have a life jacket on because he's about to get boat raced!

 

[tnvols72]

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Like for the gif.

Thanks. I had to cut it down to like 40 frames.

*In the real GIF, the walk up is much longer, as well as the reaction. I wish I could post the whole thing. It shows a more complete reaction of how I felt about your post

 

[drylo]

You're saying the quality of the product on the field doesn't impact ticket sales at all?

That’s not what I said. But all that matters is the relative quality of the product — i.e. nobody will come watch a team that loses all its games, but if they are competitive, people will come, even if it’s a slightly lower level football.

I certainly wouldn't go watch a high school team play in Neyland just because it was in Neyland and the jersey said Tennessee.

You’re telling me you didn’t go to a single game during the Dooley era?

But seriously, it wouldn’t be a “high school team” if they were wearing Tennessee jerseys. And you would go. If, hypothetically, all the 4-stars every year went to some other league, and SEC football was just 3-stars, it would still be good football to watch, and you would go sing Rocky Top and boo Alabama like you always have.

If high schools were making biions of dollars of profit off high school football, the players absolutely should be entitled to a cut of it.

“Profit”… you know this money is mostly all funneled into other athletic programs. At a literal handful of schools, maybe the athletic programs as a whole are able to contribute a little money to other departments, but mostly not. The schools do benefit in terms of enrollment, general merch sales, etc., from their athletic programs, but so what?

 

[Volbucky]

Lol LSU

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

ACC crew.., SEC crew officiating Liberty vs Oregon..

Crap! They will probably take it out on us for beating Clemson last year and for Georgia humiliating FSU Saturday.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Hopefully a great combination next near.

 

[jave36]

One of my favorite parts of bowl season is all the commercials featuring the CEOs of sponsors who all have the charisma of a toad. The first time any of us have heard of Reliaquest, and our first impression is some goober who can only read in monotone from a teleprompter with zero excitement or even inflection?

The jersey Mike's guy is the worst.

 

[rdavis007]

So, is that in the contract? Seems like all these students (especially the ones who have graduated and fulfilled the 'student' part they make such a big deal about in 'student' athlete) would be facing massive lawsuits for failing to honor their contract to the university?

NCAA: "They are not employees. They are STUDENT athletes! This is not about money! It's about their STUDENT experience! As soon as they decide that it's not about being a STUDENT anymore, they can't play!"

Student: "I'm not a student anymore. I think I'll stop playing at his level and concentrate on my career."


Everyone in unison: "Those low class suns-a-*****es! How dare they refuse to entertain me!"

It’s about honoring your commitment, building integrity and being a valuable contributor to society. They need to learn that no matter how much they “entertain” the fans, life is Not all about them, regardless of what they have been told. The sun will rise tomorrow with or without them.

 

[drylo]

Neyland doesn’t get packed with 100k without the players. Without the players there’s no product to sell the networks. They are an integral part just like the NFL. College Football is more like the NFL than High School football at this point.

This is not a serious comment. “But what if there were no players?” There will always be players. People want to play. There are thousands of kids who would love to play in Neyland Stadium. The value is in the Tennessee brand.

 

[drylo]

High school is not for profit. How can you not see the difference? Almost every single high school loses money on high school sports.

College is not for profit either.

But ultimately what difference does it make if people want to pay to watch it? It’s still about the schools. If it wasn’t, the XFL would have been huge. Or the USFL. Or…

 

[SweetasSoda]

You boys better protect that baby!!!

 

[drylo]

OK. I'd support them getting the same benefits. The only question is whether the consumerism market would allow the same amounts of money to be involved.

It's not a very good argument for a system, when it's being argued to be illegal, to merely say, "It also exists there..."

Fine, but the idea that it is illegal to have voluntary, uncompensated school athletic teams is preposterous.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

of subject...need some tech support. Wife, cracked monitor on her android phone. Can't see display. She unfortunately had several years of picks on phones hard drive (so to speak). If I wanted to mirror the display on to a chromebook or some other methodology to enable the phone to transfer the pics, how could I do that?

 

[jave36]

That’s not what I said. But all that matters is the relative quality of the product — i.e. nobody will come watch a team that loses all its games, but if they are competitive, people will come, even if it’s a slightly lower level football.

You’re telling me you didn’t go to a single game during the Dooley era?

But seriously, it wouldn’t be a “high school team” if they were wearing Tennessee jerseys. And you would go. If, hypothetically, all the 4-stars every year went to some other league, and SEC football was just 3-stars, it would still be good football to watch, and you would go sing Rocky Top and boo Alabama like you always have.

“Profit”… you know this money is mostly all funneled into other athletic programs. At a literal handful of schools, maybe the athletic programs as a whole are able to contribute a little money to other departments, but mostly not. The schools do benefit in terms of enrollment, general merch sales, etc., from their athletic programs, but so what?

Football is extremely profitable and gives money to less profitable sports. Not to mention all the gigantic salaries the leadership (coaches, Admins, university presidents, etc...) enjoy from those billions of dollars in revenue. You think Danny white makes what he does without that sec money? You think the NCAA can pay tens of millions in salaries to their employees without billions of dollars in revenue? That's what for profit means.

And I absolutely wouldn't be as passionate a fan and certainly wouldn't spend the money I've spent on Tennessee football if the entire SEC were all 2 and 3 star players while the good players went elsewhere. And the masses absolutely wouldn't watch enough to fund $30+ million payouts to every sec school every year.

 

[jave36]

College is not for profit either.

But ultimately what difference does it make if people want to pay to watch it? It’s still about the schools. If it wasn’t, the XFL would have been huge. Or the USFL. Or…

It is for profit. That's like saying the nfl is technically a nonprofit entity under the law, so they're not for profit.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I don’t understand the idea that players are “entitled” to anything. People fill Neyland Stadium and buy ESPN packages because of the power T. It’s not that different from high school sports, just on a much larger scale because instead of thousands of small high schools in each state, you have a small number of larger flagship universities — so larger fan bases, etc. But high school kids aren’t “entitled” to be paid just because people like to come out on Friday nights and cheer for them. I don’t see why college football needs to be any different.

I’m not opposed to kids making money. If someone wants to start another pro/semi-pro league based on paying players, then knock yourself out. But it’s been tried, and it won’t work. Because at the end of the day, contrary to popular belief in sportswriter world, the value is actually not in the players, but in the schools.

I'd still watch the Vols if all the players were just from Knoxville high schools

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don’t understand the idea that players are “entitled” to anything. People fill Neyland Stadium and buy ESPN packages because of the power T. It’s not that different from high school sports, just on a much larger scale because instead of thousands of small high schools in each state, you have a small number of larger flagship universities — so larger fan bases, etc. But high school kids aren’t “entitled” to be paid just because people like to come out on Friday nights and cheer for them. I don’t see why college football needs to be any different.

I’m not opposed to kids making money. If someone wants to start another pro/semi-pro league based on paying players, then knock yourself out. But it’s been tried, and it won’t work. Because at the end of the day, contrary to popular belief in sportswriter world, the value is actually not in the players, but in the schools.

You're arguing a chicken/egg. You're begging a question.

It's like arguing, "People love McDonalds, so the patty supplier doesn't deserve to get paid." People wouldn't like McD's without the patties because McDs wouldn't have a product without patties. The athletes are the meat in the grinder to produce product here.

You're arguing that the market doesn't need to be free because in a free market UT would still make as much money. Why not test that assumption. Tell the NCAA, you don't have to be willing to pay a student athlete, but no university or organization can PREVENT another from paying, or limit how much they can pay...

See if the non-paying universities can compete just based on brand loyalties. See if UT can compete just based on brand. Read the recruiting/NIL threads here. I think you'll quickly see the answer.

Why not force universities to observe the same laws as any other money-making endeavors in the United States? If you're found conspiring to fix pay scales between organizations, we're bringing you up on Federal Antitrust laws.

It's basically what Supreme Court opinion has already told them.

 

[volbeast33]

Late morning early afternoon fans. Hope everyone had a safe and fun new years. Now let's get to biddness.


Put your predictions in.

I'm Calling UT 27 - Iowa 17
They play Nico conservative. We have a turnover and a tight game in the first half leading to gnashing of teeth early. To eventually pulling away and looking strong.

Tennessee 38-9