Official Gramps' Memorial Eternal OT Thread

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BernardKingGOAT said:
Lots of people from different groups refused to wear masks and get vaccines. Active duty military personnel weren't close to standing out compared to other large organizations.
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I never stated that they were, but less than 1% of the entire population serves in the military so they would naturally have a smaller voice. It would have been nice if the population at large had stood up more in defense of our rights since the military can't really do that type of thing. Coups are not really what we do.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
To be fair, no one worked as hard as Kobe.
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I get the love for Kobe over Lebron in some ways. He is the closest the game has seen to MJ who is the GOAT. There is a pretty good argument for LBJ over Kobe though. Does anybody remember when an overweight and aged Shaq left LA? I sure as heck do. He still had game and won a title with with D wade and a bunch of role players like Antoine Walker. Gary Payton was a million years old by that time and way past his prime (doesn't count). In fact, Kobe didn't do squat until he had a good enough supporting cast around him years later with Odom, Bynum, and Gasol from 2008-10. How could you not win with that?

As far as Lebron goes, he took a very unimpressive roster with the CAVs to the NBA finals his fourth year at what 21 years of age? He was dishing to Boobie Gibson, Anderson Varejo, and the great Zydrunas IIlegauskas which is why the Spurs swept them LOL. Could Kobe have taken that team to the finals? He couldn't take any team with a bunch of nobody's anywhere. You guys know the rest of the story for the "talents to south beach" speech. I am glad he left Cleveland back then. The front office for the CAVs didn't know what they were doing while the heat had much better plans for Lebron. Luckily, the CAVs learned a thing or two.

Sorry but I didn't really read many of the posts before this.
 
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NashVol11 said:
“All he does is flop”



Lol
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That's not what I said at all. He's a top 5 player, flopper and crybaby. He gets credit for all three because it is true. You're welcome to keep swinging on his sack though, it makes no difference to me. MJ is the GOAT and it isn't really close, especially in the mentality department.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
That's not what I said at all. He's a top 5 player, flopper and crybaby. He gets credit for all three because it is true. You're welcome to keep swinging on his sack though, it makes no difference to me. MJ is the GOAT and it isn't really close, especially in the mentality department.
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I didnt really like MJ either, but I agree with your assessment.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If Kobe and LBJ were teammates, he would dog the hell out of him. I was not a Kobe fan, but you can't argue about his work ethic. I don't think LBJ works as hard as Kobe. If Kobe dogged out Shaq for being lazy, he would have definitely had smoke for LeBron.

On a side note, did we ever find out who spray painted N-word on LeBron house? You mean no security cameras or Ring cameras caught anything?
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Nobody has better work ethic than Lebron. There might be guys like Kobe who put more time in the gym, but Lebron's entire life is planned around what he has to do to excel at basketball. He puts $1m and plenty of time into his body every year. Kobe was waking up at 4 am for an extra practice to show off to the young Team USA guys how hard he goes. Lebron would never do that because he has a strict sleep regiment that he knows will do him more good than an extra shootaround will. He takes 2 naps a day and has an early bedtime. Everything he puts into his body is planned for performance. People in Kobe's day didn't even know how to work like this.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I get the love for Kobe over Lebron in some ways. He is the closest the game has seen to MJ who is the GOAT. There is a pretty good argument for LBJ over Kobe though. Does anybody remember when an overweight and aged Shaq left LA? I sure as heck do. He still had game and won a title with with D wade and a bunch of role players like Antoine Walker. Gary Payton was a million years old by that time and way past his prime (doesn't count). In fact, Kobe didn't do squat until he had a good enough supporting cast around him years later with Odom, Bynum, and Gasol from 2008-10. How could you not win with that?

As far as Lebron goes, he took a very unimpressive roster with the CAVs to the NBA finals his fourth year at what 21 years of age? He was dishing to Boobie Gibson, Anderson Varejo, and the great Zydrunas IIlegauskas which is why the Spurs swept them LOL. Could Kobe have taken that team to the finals? He couldn't take any team with a bunch of nobody's anywhere. You guys know the rest of the story for the "talents to south beach" speech. I am glad he left Cleveland back then. The front office for the CAVs didn't know what they were doing while the heat had much better plans for Lebron. Luckily, the CAVs learned a thing or two.

Sorry but I didn't really read many of the posts before this.
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Oh I'm in the LBJ is arguably the GOAT camp. He's the single most versatile player in the league's history.

Anyone that thinks he is only good because the league is soft fits at least one, if not all of these categories:

-someone who knows dick about NBA
-someone who lets politics affect their evaluations of athletes
-someone who hasn't watched 90's basketball in 24-34 years
-someone who hasn't really watched the NBA in the past 20 years
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Oh I'm in the LBJ is arguably the GOAT camp. He's the single most versatile player in the league's history.

Anyone that thinks he is only good because the league is soft fits at least one, if not all of these categories:

-someone who knows dick about NBA
-someone who lets politics affect their evaluations of athletes
-someone who hasn't watched 90's basketball in 24-34 years
-someone who hasn't really watched the NBA in the past 20 years
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LeBron would have been one of the greatest had he played in any era. I'll still take Jordan by a smidgen as GOAT
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I get the love for Kobe over Lebron in some ways. He is the closest the game has seen to MJ who is the GOAT. There is a pretty good argument for LBJ over Kobe though. Does anybody remember when an overweight and aged Shaq left LA? I sure as heck do. He still had game and won a title with with D wade and a bunch of role players like Antoine Walker. Gary Payton was a million years old by that time and way past his prime (doesn't count). In fact, Kobe didn't do squat until he had a good enough supporting cast around him years later with Odom, Bynum, and Gasol from 2008-10. How could you not win with that?

As far as Lebron goes, he took a very unimpressive roster with the CAVs to the NBA finals his fourth year at what 21 years of age? He was dishing to Boobie Gibson, Anderson Varejo, and the great Zydrunas IIlegauskas which is why the Spurs swept them LOL. Could Kobe have taken that team to the finals? He couldn't take any team with a bunch of nobody's anywhere. You guys know the rest of the story for the "talents to south beach" speech. I am glad he left Cleveland back then. The front office for the CAVs didn't know what they were doing while the heat had much better plans for Lebron. Luckily, the CAVs learned a thing or two.

Sorry but I didn't really read many of the posts before this.
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It's funny because every kid on earth should be trying to look at basketball the way Lebron does, but it's cool to say Kobe. Kobe is the heel. Lebron is the baby face. Kobe was a rapist, first of all. But he was a bad teammate. He was a jerk. He was a ballhog. He made selfish decisions all the time, whether he was playing next to Shaq or Chris Mim.

Kobe wasn't happy unless he's the guy taking the last shot, make or miss.
Lebron is happy making the right basketball play.

Kobe is a top 20 player all-time. Lebron is a top 2 player.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I get the love for Kobe over Lebron in some ways. He is the closest the game has seen to MJ who is the GOAT. There is a pretty good argument for LBJ over Kobe though. Does anybody remember when an overweight and aged Shaq left LA? I sure as heck do. He still had game and won a title with with D wade and a bunch of role players like Antoine Walker. Gary Payton was a million years old by that time and way past his prime (doesn't count). In fact, Kobe didn't do squat until he had a good enough supporting cast around him years later with Odom, Bynum, and Gasol from 2008-10. How could you not win with that?

As far as Lebron goes, he took a very unimpressive roster with the CAVs to the NBA finals his fourth year at what 21 years of age? He was dishing to Boobie Gibson, Anderson Varejo, and the great Zydrunas IIlegauskas which is why the Spurs swept them LOL. Could Kobe have taken that team to the finals? He couldn't take any team with a bunch of nobody's anywhere. You guys know the rest of the story for the "talents to south beach" speech. I am glad he left Cleveland back then. The front office for the CAVs didn't know what they were doing while the heat had much better plans for Lebron. Luckily, the CAVs learned a thing or two.

Sorry but I didn't really read many of the posts before this.
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Kobe is a borderline top 10 player, LeBron is top 2
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I get the love for Kobe over Lebron in some ways. He is the closest the game has seen to MJ who is the GOAT. There is a pretty good argument for LBJ over Kobe though. Does anybody remember when an overweight and aged Shaq left LA? I sure as heck do. He still had game and won a title with with D wade and a bunch of role players like Antoine Walker. Gary Payton was a million years old by that time and way past his prime (doesn't count). In fact, Kobe didn't do squat until he had a good enough supporting cast around him years later with Odom, Bynum, and Gasol from 2008-10. How could you not win with that?

As far as Lebron goes, he took a very unimpressive roster with the CAVs to the NBA finals his fourth year at what 21 years of age? He was dishing to Boobie Gibson, Anderson Varejo, and the great Zydrunas IIlegauskas which is why the Spurs swept them LOL. Could Kobe have taken that team to the finals? He couldn't take any team with a bunch of nobody's anywhere. You guys know the rest of the story for the "talents to south beach" speech. I am glad he left Cleveland back then. The front office for the CAVs didn't know what they were doing while the heat had much better plans for Lebron. Luckily, the CAVs learned a thing or two.

Sorry but I didn't really read many of the posts before this.
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Larry Bird said if he wanted to have fun he would play with Lebron, but if he wanted to win he would play with Kobe.
 
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NashVol11 said:
That’s dumb, the NBA has much more talent now than it did in those eras and team defense is also much more advanced. If anything it’s the other way around
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It is. A guy like McHale was Top 5 player in his prime. He would struggle to stay on the court today due to speed.....

With the defensive rules today, if you are slow, you'll get played off the court...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If Kobe and LBJ were teammates, he would dog the hell out of him. I was not a Kobe fan, but you can't argue about his work ethic. I don't think LBJ works as hard as Kobe. If Kobe dogged out Shaq for being lazy, he would have definitely had smoke for LeBron.

On a side note, did we ever find out who spray painted N-word on LeBron house? You mean no security cameras or Ring cameras caught anything?
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Heard and read LBJ called a lot of things, don't think lazy is one.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Half the players Lebron has played against in his career could not make the NBA rosters of the 1980's and 90's.
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You got that completely backwards, my man.

It's just the natural progression of things. We know more about the sport, we know more schematically, about diet and nutrition, sports medicine, the talent pool is much bigger now that it's a worldwide sport, etc. There is 10x as much $ to be made playing basketball. Of course the players are better.

The bottom quarter of the league in 90's?....no way in hell can they make the NBA today.

Think about it like this...we have like 6x as many foreign-born players today. They took the place of the worst Americans. That's all you need to know.
 
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Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Wemby, Doncic are all foreign players that wouldnt have been in a 1980s NBA...

Arguments can be made that Jokic or Giannis would be the 2nd best player in the 80s...
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
LeBron would have been one of the greatest had he played in any era. I'll still take Jordan by a smidgen as GOAT
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MJ would kill it in this era.

Lebron would kill it in MJ's era.

MJ had a more dominant prime.

Lebron has a more impressive career.

You can't go wrong with either. The debate is so close.

What's funny is people who decided they were going to hate Lebron circa 2007 (for the Kobe rivalry) or 2010 (for the announcement) have had to witness the man dominate through 3 decades and it's nuts to say that he's still a top 10 player. Hell, he's 1st team all-NBA right now at age 39. It's insane. How long can this go for? Nobody gets to year 21 and they certainly don't average 25, 7, and 7 in year 21.
 
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