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I think this is the perfect way to end the 4 team playoff and usher in the 12 team bracket. Surely there won't be so much grumbling about that 13th ranked team being left out or the fact the same 3-4 teams will be in the semi-finals and championship game every year.
I think there is typically a bigger difference between #4 to #5, than there is from #12 to #13.

and I am willing to bet it will be the same teams in the semis every year. the 4 team playoff did nothing to expand the pool, at least as of 2021 we had a narrower selection of Playoff Teams vs the number of teams that played in the BCS championships, despite there being twice as many possibilities. just like NIL was going to "level the playing fields", never going to happen.

If this was 2024, there would be 6 SEC teams in the playoffs, with LSU as #13 left out despite beating #9 Missouri. and then you have the extra fun of the top ranked G5 conference champ being guaranteed a spot. which this year would be #23 Liberty kicking out #12 Oklahoma who has a win over #3 Texas, so SEC would really have 5, with two schools having legit arguments wanting in.
 
For me it just goes back to what is the actual standard.

Is it the "best" teams?
or
is it the most "deserving" teams.

unfortunately the committee just flip flops between the two. not holding a consistent standard.

FSU against any other teams that made it would get smoked like TCU vs Georgia. they may have earned it, but they are certainly not one of the best teams.

But is Snow White most "deserving" or "best" if she wins a beauty contest when the only other candidates are the dwarfs? A conference championship still doesn't mean anything without considering the conference strength. Yeah, there are those start of the season games FSU/LSU and Bama/TX, but first games of the season can from historical perspective be real anomalies.
 
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I think this is the perfect way to end the 4 team playoff and usher in the 12 team bracket. Surely there won't be so much grumbling about that 13th ranked team being left out or the fact the same 3-4 teams will be in the semi-finals and championship game every year.

As long as the SEC has 7-9 of the spots, people will be happy.
 
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Probably, they can pound their chests and shout SEC, SEC while watching Bama and GA taking turns winning the NC.

The difference is about like having a chit sandwich on bread or a croissant, but right now my loathing for Smart and GA really exceeds my loathing for Bama and Satan. To make it worse, Smart has more time left unless he gets hit by lightning. Even without the coaches, I'd despise GA more than Bama ... and that's saying a lot. As little as there is to say about Bama and class, GA by comparison is classless new rich trash.
 
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Probably, they can pound their chests and shout SEC, SEC while watching Bama and GA taking turns winning the NC.

But you and I both know when the midget retires, Bama will take a big step back.

I don't think they'll get a home run hire two times in a row. And the tears from the inbred faithful will be glorious.
 
I made this argument ten years ago when I said the playoff would make things worse as far as the bickering of who got shafted. All it really does is guarantee the best team is one of the four.

The two additional teams just increase the surface area for arguing who got shafted.

I wish we could just go back to the BCS.
 
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Heard update today that Knecht is day to day, so his ankle wasnt as bad as it looked at UNC. Sucks that he needed 2 more points to be the ALL TIME most points scored by a visitor in Chapel Hill....he had 37 points and shot 13 for 17. There was enough time left that he would have scored at least 45 points at the rate he was scoring. We have never had a scorer like him that I remember. Hes shooting 41% from 3 on the season (career 38%) and over 50% from the field. He can shoot like Lofton or Houston, but is nasty off the dribble and will dunk in faces. Hes got a well rounded game too and usually pulls 6 or 7 boards and a couple assists. If he gets back healthy soon we are definitely a sweet 16 team with a shot at a Final 4 IMO. We have a deep team this year.
 
I made this argument ten years ago when I said the playoff would make things worse as far as the bickering of who got shafted. All it really does is guarantee the best team is one of the four.

The two additional teams just increase the surface area for arguing who got shafted.

I wish we could just go back to the BCS.

The time before the BCS was just fine. Everybody had the offseason to argue who was best without artificially picking a couple of contenders for a shot to prove it. People tend to forget that "on any given Saturday ..."; play the same game more than once and the outcome may vary. We should just enjoy each football season as a journey and not a destination, and not ruin it with a fictitious championship. Bowls were better; they were fewer; and they had names rather than rattling off sponsors. In driving speed may kill; in sports money will kill.
 
But is Snow White most "deserving" or "best" if she wins a beauty contest when the only other candidates are the dwarfs? A conference championship still doesn't mean anything without considering the conference strength. Yeah, there are those start of the season games FSU/LSU and Bama/TX, but first games of the season can from historical perspective be real anomalies.
good teams can come out of weak conferences. Clemson won it all twice despite coming out of the ACC.

like I said, I just want there to be a consistent standard. that is applied year after year. as it is it just seems like the committee is picking different favorites every year, and going back on what they said previously. that uncertainty is what bothers me.

Its kinda funny but this just reminds me this is why we went to the BCS computer system to remove all biases and keep a consistent standard.
 
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The time before the BCS was just fine. Everybody had the offseason to argue who was best without artificially picking a couple of contenders for a shot to prove it. People tend to forget that "on any given Saturday ..."; play the same game more than once and the outcome may vary. We should just enjoy each football season as a journey and not a destination, and not ruin it with a fictitious championship. Bowls were better; they were fewer; and they had names rather than rattling off sponsors. In driving speed may kill; in sports money will kill.
TL;DR

Saban reset the standard and caused the playoffs. everyone got so tired of seeing him win year after year they had to get in other teams "to make it fair", or just to see someone different. and after seeing his run of success every other blue blood school, and some others, think they should have that level of success, or else fire their coach. No more keeping a coach for 10 years until he wins a title, have to show progress in 2, and success in 4. and thats all while playing against the best coach in the history of the sport.

and I don't want to get away from a championship game, otherwise the media would just go back to naming one of the Midwest schools champions for no real reason while the SEC beat each other up.

and I KNOW this would never happen, but I think the Bowls could easily be relevant again with some tweaks.
1. Bring in a relegation system like some pro soccer leagues have to the mega conferences. The top "division" is playoff eligible, the bottom division is bowl eligible. take the most consistent top teams from the bottom division, and the bottom teams of the top division over 5 years and have them play round robin in a bowl game format. you could even expand this to include all conferences. this gives some reason to watch the lower schools and the bowl games count towards your record of becoming playoff eligible.
2. have the "major" non-playoff bowl games host their own 4 team tournaments. with the semi-finals as some of the minor bowl games.
3. allow/encourage pro-scouting, even if its just 1 team, as part of the bowl games. have each bowl game hold "pro days" for any player that is active for the game, even for freshman. This should hopefully cut back on the drop outs, it gives the smaller schools at the bowl games more exposure to the pros so hopefully players are less likely to leave. and it doesn't effect eligibility for the players. have those same scouts at the game, so the players can put on a consistent show for the scouts, and the players know they are getting to work more directly with the scouts and thus have a reason to play.
4. you could even take it a step farther for the playoffs. pair the playoffs with some group of NFL teams to do the same thing, but with even more teams. Like all four teams from a division will have scouts at the practices and bowl-pro-days. or even the whole conference or something, however the numbers split up.
*both 3 & 4 would likely require cutting back on the number of bowl games, and you could even pair the bowl games with the NFL draft rankings. So that the best NFL team is going to the worst bowl game, and the team theoretically with the first pick is going to the biggest bowl games. again theoretically this should pair bowl players with the teams more likely to have draft picks relevant to them giving the players a reason to play. and it cuts down on the number of bowls to have a better product on the field. and if you do the tournament bowl games this would doubly increase the exposure for the players who make it to those finals, as there would be at least 2 NFL teams there directly taking part.
 
Enjoyed the privilege of paying my property taxes for the year yesterday. That was fun.

Rant: Small town building permit offices are the epitome of bureaucracy. No one walks a new person through the processes. That would be far too efficient. Simply point them to the online portal and continue to pepper them with questions, re-submissions, and point out how they didn't do it right. Government is a festering boil on the anus of mankind.
 
Enjoyed the privilege of paying my property taxes for the year yesterday. That was fun.

Rant: Small town building permit offices are the epitome of bureaucracy. No one walks a new person through the processes. That would be far too efficient. Simply point them to the online portal and continue to pepper them with questions, re-submissions, and point out how they didn't do it right. Government is a festering boil on the anus of mankind.
just wait till you deal with big city building permit offices. its the same, but with an even bigger bureaucracy in place.

IRL Louder life experience:
City comments on a permit drawing would have made the situation very very unsafe.
I raise the matter with the building department. Told I have to talk with person A.
Ok, lets schedule a talk with person A.
oh, you can't do that, you have to talk with person B first.
ok, lets do that.
sorry you can't do that, you need approval from person A first.

had to accept the unsafe change, get the permit, make sure the contractor didn't actually build the unsafe thing, and that the client knew about the issue. then when a city inspector comes out, we had to get his blessing and a blessing from person C at the city to get the unsafe condition out of the city's comments.

Zoning departments are even worse, because that is 100% subjective, and they can delay for however long they want. I have one project that is trying to get zoning approval for more than 18months, and we are no where closer than we were. and its not a historical/fire district that has special rules. just a completely uncooperative zoning division.
 
Enjoyed the privilege of paying my property taxes for the year yesterday. That was fun.

Rant: Small town building permit offices are the epitome of bureaucracy. No one walks a new person through the processes. That would be far too efficient. Simply point them to the online portal and continue to pepper them with questions, re-submissions, and point out how they didn't do it right. Government is a festering boil on the anus of mankind.

IDK how it is in your county but in mine unless you are a contractor/developer getting a building permit is a fight and like you said, they offer no help or instructions. You also have to perfectly time out lunches, coffee breaks, days off and sick days to get all the Is dotted and Ts crossed.
 
IDK how it is in your county but in mine unless you are a contractor/developer getting a building permit is a fight and like you said, they offer no help or instructions. You also have to perfectly time out lunches, coffee breaks, days off and sick days to get all the Is dotted and Ts crossed.
It's a freaking nightmare trying to owner-manage the renovation. I've been stuck at demo for 2 months.
 
It's a freaking nightmare trying to owner-manage the renovation. I've been stuck at demo for 2 months.

I forgot to pull permits for our renovation in 2020, we expanded and covered our deck in 2008 so I pulled the proper permits. Big mistake.

Been fighting with the county for almost a year trying to get a permit to build a pole barn, admittedly it's not entirely their fault it's taken so long. Getting a surveyor to do the plat amendment removing a utilities easement has been a huge holdup. Surveyors around here suck!
 
I forgot to pull permits for our renovation in 2020, we expanded and covered our deck in 2008 so I pulled the proper permits. Big mistake.

Been fighting with the county for almost a year trying to get a permit to build a pole barn, admittedly it's not entirely their fault it's taken so long. Getting a surveyor to do the plat amendment removing a utilities easement has been a huge holdup. Surveyors around here suck!
It's very frustrating. I understand some would skirt proper building practices, encroach on easements, etc. But it is demotivating for me because I am trying to upgrade a property and do it right. I am trying to make it safer by removing wall heaters, the fuse panel, and such.

I should have just had the work done quietly and asked for forgiveness if caught.
 
It's very frustrating. I understand some would skirt proper building practices, encroach on easements, etc. But it is demotivating for me because I am trying to upgrade a property and do it right. I am trying to make it safer by removing wall heaters, the fuse panel, and such.

I should have just had the work done quietly and asked for forgiveness if caught.

What's so frustrating about getting the permit to build my barn is getting the utilities easement on the back side of my property removed. When we purchased the house there was a dead power line running through the back yard and the easement was to service the poles and line. We brought the property because we knew the lines were going to be removed so now there is no need for the easement. They know the line is gone, they know there is absolutely longer a use for the easement. I've gotten the electric company, phone company and water company have signed off but for some damn reason I can't get the gas company to sign off plus my surveyor won't get off his dead ass and get all the paperwork done.
 
For me it just goes back to what is the actual standard.

Is it the "best" teams?
or
is it the most "deserving" teams.

unfortunately the committee just flip flops between the two. not holding a consistent standard.

FSU against any other teams that made it would get smoked like TCU vs Georgia. they may have earned it, but they are certainly not one of the best teams.
Hey Louder are you guys going to the Citrus bowl?
 
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