Recruiting Football Talk VII

[BigSteve09]

I agree with your concern, and have the same. I would like to see more Vol Club communication to establish which athletes are partners and how well they did in the most recent game. At lease some sort of propaganda campaign at the stadium to try and increase the donor pool. I was shocked when I heard that there were less than 5,000 actual donors to the Vol Club.

But as a rabid fan that buys merchandise, drives the 6 hours to Knoxville a couple of times a year for games, travels to bowl games three or four times a decade, and is emotionally impacted by each win or loss, I would rather have faith in this new NIL thing and donate my money even when I don't have 100% clarity of the efficiency of the collective, than wait for 100% clarity and be passed by other programs that figure it out faster.

the collectives cannot incentivize like this

the fans can incentivize indirectly buy buying those players' merch (jerseys, autographed memorabilia, Nico pajamas, Squirrel toys, whatever else) whenever they have a great game.

I don't even know if I love the individual deals. My favorite NIL deal is the Texas OL one where they all get a cut. It incentivizes more elite OL to go to Texas because they know they're all going to get a cut of something huge, and it holds them accountable as a unit. I wish we had some OL deal sponsored by Calhoun's or Pilot or whoever else. Load that thing up and it would solve a lot of our problems.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I think Gruden is as surprised as all of us that his name is on that list

Gruden would be a great fit at Indiana.

His wife owns property there. Think she was a cheerleader there.

 

[GVol1966]

And it would make sense for Joe to start training for pre-draft workouts and leave his last impression on scouts as a 6 TD bonanza. It’s not gonna help Joe to spend another month going through practices for a mid-tier bowl.

That’s going to have little to no effect on how scouts view him.

He’s got a whole resume from the last 6 years.

 

[butchna]

@butchna ....according to @jonheyman....Sonny Gray is finalizing a deal with the St. Louis Cardinals.......

Thanks for these updates.

 

[GVol1966]

Gruden would be a great fit at Indiana.

His wife owns property there. Think she was a cheerleader there.

No win deal. It’s like getting to be HC at Vandy

 

[Jimmy Football]

That’s going to have little to no effect on how scouts view him.

He’s got a whole resume from the last 6 years.

Probably not. But better to go out on a high note than a sour one.

 

[Jackcrevol]

If I hear that 8-4 isnt acceptable again. Im going to lose my mind.

Most had us at 8 wins, or 9. We are a national brand. Heup is a great, young coach. We have all departments of UTAD etc moving in right direction. Recruiting is slightly, above average. And we are playing in a bowl.

Take all that other nonsense, and cram it.

 

[Maxwell865]

8-4 is .667%

 

[BigSteve09]

Are you saying 8-4 is unacceptable for this year, or that 8-4 is an unacceptable outcome for next year?

And when you say "unacceptable" are you sending the head coach straight to the hot seat?

 

[Jackcrevol]

8-4 is .667%

There are coaches in the CFB HoF with worse winning percentages.

Just a food for thought moment.

We are on NCAA probation. That hasnt gone away. Just so you know, Cheggars, Donde kept our bowl eligibility. We are ahead of schedule.

Not being able to play in Florida this year would shove us backwards.

 

[Orange.]

I’m sure it’s been discussed but looks like Joe is definitely playing in bowl game, according to Hubbs and Cain..

Well, I was hopinig not, but I can't say I blame him, from his perspective, at least. If he doesn't make the league (or only as a backup) it would be his last chance to play football. I was hoping that shining on Senior Day could be a tribute and fit conclusion for all his hard work.

But I hope Nico gets a entire half. It would really help the more Nico can play. Heup can at least remind Joe how much the Orange Bowl helped him. Joe tends to be a team guy. But giving up perhaps your last lifetime game is a lot. Maybe we'll get 50/50.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Former Vol commit in the portal. I’m almost positive he was one of Pruitts first commits. This covid year thing is crazy.

 

[Jackcrevol]

8-4 is .667%

id also like to add that our all time Winning Pctge is .672%, that means this year we were .005% away from where we are historically.

Let me ask these questions.

Where would you rather be as a program?

Georgia, Alabama? Not happening. Unrealistic.

Florida, TAMU, South Carolina, Kentucky?

Thank god we arent.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Former Vol commit in the portal. I’m almost positive he was one of Pruitts first commits. This covid year thing is crazy.

Is this Cox talented enough?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Are you saying 8-4 is unacceptable for this year, or that 8-4 is an unacceptable outcome for next year?

And when you say "unacceptable" are you sending the head coach straight to the hot seat?

Personally I don't think it is any season, but mainly next year and in the future couple of years. TN is a 10+ win program and we need to act like it.

As far as the coach once no, but that's the bare minimum. Twice it's a problem 3 years in a row and he needs an ultimatum.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

It is also a reason for some looking for reasons to leave to leave since you’re still playing others when you are told it’s your team now or soon.

True. It creates a very difficult balance and it's never as cut and dried as it seems from our perspective.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

8-4 is .667%

That's the average but you aren't factoring in the 5 and 6 win season, which means you have to have just as many 10+ win season to balance things out.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

If I hear that 8-4 isnt acceptable again. Im going to lose my mind.

Most had us at 8 wins, or 9. We are a national brand. Heup is a great, young coach. We have all departments of UTAD etc moving in right direction. Recruiting is slightly, above average. And we are playing in a bowl.

Take all that other nonsense, and cram it.

Us being a national brand is exactly why it isn't acceptable.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Are you saying 8-4 is unacceptable for this year, or that 8-4 is an unacceptable outcome for next year?

And when you say "unacceptable" are you sending the head coach straight to the hot seat?

I think he is saying that we should view ourselves like Bama and UGA and not among the others. Which would mean we should expect more than 8 win seasons every year.

 

[butchna]

Carolina Panthers...fire HC Frank Reich ...
11 games into his first season...

Lot of messes on his watch, but a lot of messes to clean up. What doomed him imo is what DeMeco Ryans has done (in his first HC outing) in Houston. Total team buy-in and transformation BEYOND picking the right QB in the draft. Reich at his best is milquetoast efficiency and Eberflus is off that coaching tree (selfish aside Bears fan comment).

 

[Orange.]

Yeah, "unacceptable" doesn't really mean anything. It's just emoting and a way to sleight people who don't turn on our team and fans in anger. Everyone wants better. And most people expect we'll get it.

People raging about this season would have never made it through the 90s. They would have fired Fulmer many times before '98. It's unreasonable, in that respect, that "the likely candidates" use "the '90s" as their benchmark for year three in this NCAA garbage fire that Heupel inherited.

I don't include people dissatisfied with WM or Banks in that category, btw. I mean the "we suck" "because we didn't win the CFP this year" passive aggressive bs.

 

[Glitch]

Gruden would be a great fit at Indiana.

His wife owns property there. Think she was a cheerleader there.

Have you heard about Gru's ties to the area within his stock portfolio?

 

[Glitch]

Is this Cox talented enough?

 

[Jackcrevol]

Personally I don't think it is any season, but mainly next year and in the future couple of years. TN is a 10+ win program and we need to act like it.

As far as the coach once no, but that's the bare minimum. Twice it's a problem 3 years in a row and he needs an ultimatum.

Since 1973 we won more than 10 games, 11 times. That means in the LAST 50 seasons, we won 10 games or more about 20% of the time. (I think, was a research paper guy, not a maths guy).

So, to say 'we are 10 win team.' Is false and inaccurate.

We are capable of 10 wins, and havent realized our potential. We are a storied program, hungry to win. And have a coach who is capable of realizing that goal. He is young, driven, and competitive.

My suggestion to you is to enjoy it.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

Gruden would be a great fit at Indiana.

His wife owns property there. Think she was a cheerleader there.

Also, Gruden is on record commenting on UT's "pace" of play. Indiana's basketball team is the Pacers. Clear indicator.