Recruiting Football Talk VII

[MrVolton]

You believe that, without evidence.

CJH knows his choices, right or wrong.

He isn't a child or ignorant of his decisions. He decided this was the way to maximize wins.

Fans just always want to assume things aren't really that bad/fair and the backup would have taken them to 10 wins and then folks saw the backups to JG

It’s based largely on what LA vol and some others have said on here, which seems to confirm what I and others see play out on the field. Looks like I’m far from the only one making these assumptions too. Admittedly, that is all I’m going on, but seems there is some merit to it.

Thanks for the lecture, I might try to keep it in mind when posting going forward. I thought I was careful to used words like COULD and CAN, and was definitely not doing anything foolish like calling for Huepel’s job as I think he’s doing very well. If it is necessary due to circumstances this particular season in order to maintain things such as roster, locker room, etc that the public isn’t privy to, then I completely understand. However, if blind loyalty to experience is your philosophy going forward, it can get you beat in highly competitive arenas such as sports or business.

And if the backups truly aren’t better than than what we are seeing on the field at some spots - particularly in defensive back 7 - then maybe that brings up some valid criticism of this staff’s evaluations and recruiting.

 

[therickbol]

Brentwood Academy...or.........Lipscomb Academy??

That seems like a good situation. And he can play both of them against each other in the hiring process to get a big salary.

 

[Revived2002]

The biggest delusion to me is the fans that think the "right" coach will get us back into contention in short term.

We're getting to the point where today's recruits were born after Fulmer was fired. Today's recruits think we are a 6-6 program that's going to fire their coach every 4 years.

It's going to take a little extra to convince them otherwise and get us into annual contention. The right coach can put us into contention when the stars align (like last year) and keep us competitive when they don't (this year) but until we stack the cupboard and change the narrative around the program we won't get beyond that. That takes time.

I still think Heupel is ahead of schedule.

100% agreed - well said!

I call that the “Super Coach” delusion. Fans who state it never say who this coach is or why we will suddenly get them now when we’ve failed to get them each of the last four or five tries. But they still rigidly believe it - it’s wild!

 

[BigSteve09]

Wow somehow still at 25







Handle Vandy then put a good show on in the bowl game and it's a 9-win, top-20 season.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I still don't see CJH and staff overpaying for players...as bad as the fan base screams about it...

They've seemed to have avoided players who primary focus was money. I can see why but I'm not sure in the long haul that's a winning strategy. I think probably the other, big time programs are going to take talent regardless of motivation. I think we've probably missed on some players because we weren't willing to play the game. Jared Verse comes to mind.

 

[Jackcrevol]

They've seemed to have avoided players who primary focus was money. I can see why but I'm not sure in the long haul that's a winning strategy. I think probably the other, big time programs are going to take talent regardless of motivation. I think we've probably missed on some players because we weren't willing to play the game. Jared Verse comes to mind.

Thank you.

 

[RikidyBones]

Who's coming down to my Jacksonville waters if they get the Gata Bowl?

 

[TrippieRedd]

Who's coming down to my Jacksonville waters if they get the Gata Bowl?

No one. You’ll stand them up

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Yup, ETSU was successful under Sanders and then GQ turned it into a terrible program in 2 years. No doubt we could get someone decent, a lot of people I know are interested in Tre Lamb from Gardner Webb. Or maybe ETSU can take Tim Banks off our hands

Butch Jones.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Brentwood Academy...or.........Lipscomb Academy??

BA has been quick on the trigger with coaches lately.

 

[BigSteve09]

y'all taking Vols -23?

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I said 8-4 is our average, I never said it’s our ceiling. It certainly isn’t our floor, nor is it LSU, UF’s or A&M’s. The last 5 years have proven that for all 4 of us. Firing guys for having 8-4 seasons hasnt turned out well for any of us, besides a season at LSU.

You just haven't understood why people are pushing back at what you're saying.

If you say "we are an 8-4 program" people take that as you saying that is our ceiling and what our ceiling has always been.

The rest of us are talking about potential.

Just a communication issue.

 

[knoxvol52]

@butchna ....did I hear it correctly...Jerry Jones putting Jimmy Johnson in ROH...?.they look chummy today in Carolina..

 

[Weezer]

They've seemed to have avoided players who primary focus was money. I can see why but I'm not sure in the long haul that's a winning strategy. I think probably the other, big time programs are going to take talent regardless of motivation. I think we've probably missed on some players because we weren't willing to play the game. Jared Verse comes to mind.

With the whole NIL thing still being relatively new, "overpaying" is a subjective term. The rates are still being set. Some positions will be more valuable than others. I do think the staff and Spyre will have to be more flexible, especially in areas of need.

 

[UTProf]

Wow somehow still at 25







Handle Vandy then put a good show on in the bowl game and it's a 9-win, top-20 season.

Thing that will forever drive me crazy about college football? JMU just lost to a bad App St team and would lose to a number of unranked teams that aren’t fortunate enough to play in the fun belt. They’re hardly alone either. And while I do think 10 wins is special for any program I don’t think it deserves ranking over teams with real schedules. I just don’t. We pretend this sport is equal in difficulty when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

 

[knoxvol52]

y'all taking Vols -23?

If OSU loses at Michigan...Ryan Day will be on hot seat next season...

 

[BigSteve09]

With the whole NIL thing still being relatively new, "overpaying" is a subjective term. The rates are still being set. Some positions will be more valuable than others. I do think the staff and Spyre will have to be more flexible, especially in areas of need.

AP hinted at the collective ready to do what it takes to shore up the OL. I hope that's how it plays out.

 

[BigSteve09]

If OSU loses at Michigan...Ryan Day will be on hot seat next season...

If Day loses to Michigan three years in a row they're going to run him out of town

Think about when Saban's replacement loses to us three years in a row. They'll lose their minds

 

[engineerVOL]

In the last 18 quarters of football, the Tennessee Vols and Titans have combined to score 3 offensive touchdowns.

Eww.

 

[UTK]

y'all taking Vols -23?

I probably would. Could hand the ball off all game and cream Vandy. Just like last year

 

[UTK]

AP hinted at the collective ready to do what it takes to shore up the OL. I hope that's how it plays out.

Give Nico a legit oline and a solid TE, sky is the limit for the offense next year.

 

[engineerVOL]

We also failed on multiple short 3rd downs. Killed us.

At one point the stat on tv was UGA was like 3/4 on 3rd downs with an average distance to go of 10.5 yards.

Meanwhile we were something like 1/5 with an average distance of 3.4 yards. Gotta make those or set them up for 4-downs.

On 3rd downs, we gotta start treating them like 2nd and set up a short 4th down play.

 

[engineerVOL]

Who's coming down to my Jacksonville waters if they get the Gata Bowl?

Crashing at your place??

 

[BigSteve09]

Give Nico a legit oline and a solid TE, sky is the limit for the offense next year.

Watch how something like that makes the defense shine again too

And that's why quality OL in the portal will rightfully command a king's ransom

 

[butchna]

@butchna ....did I hear it correctly...Jerry Jones putting Jimmy Johnson in ROH...?.they look chummy today in Carolina..

Senility wears down the toughest grudges...just gotta outlive it. Jerry's dumbest position amongst numerous candidates imo. Mebbe before he tips off into that Johnny Walker Blue distillery in the sky, he'll admit that dynasty was Jimmy's baby.