Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

I was at the game yesterday, when they called Joe short and then we went for it on 4th & 1 and didn’t get it, there was a bama fan sitting in front of me that turned around and said “I’m sorry that was a terrible spot.” Even the bama fans saw the corruption

Every damn spot that was close for us, was moved back. Every one that was close for them was ruled a 1st down without measuring. No need to get upset ladies and gentlemen. Just three years ago I would've killed to be into a game deep into the 4th with a chance. The past two years we have had that and last year we won.

I feel like some of you (not most) need a reality check. We are still building a program and culture here. We are a long way from 2001. With that said, the social media generation wants everything RIGHT NOW! Suck it up and know that fast money, success, fame, are not real life. True success takes time, talent, and hard work. We're getting better. Our results prove that.

 

[drvenner]

I’m not sure I trust Heupel to honestly evaluate Joe. He chose Joe over Hooker, too. This is Josh’s guy and I think he’s handling him with kid gloves in some ways. Either way, I’m less concerned about Heupel’s QB selection than I am his ability to prepare his team for road games. 4 straight clunkers heading into another tough road game.

We definitely need to be ready for Kentucky. I think he prepared us very well for Bama. We were ready and had a great gamelan.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

We definitely need to be ready for Kentucky. I think he prepared us very well for Bama. We were ready and had a great gamelan.

Part of preparing your team though is preparing them to play 4 full quarters which we haven’t done on the road in a long time. The gameplan only goes so far. As the saying goes, no plan survives first contact with the enemy, and Heupel these last 4 road games has struggled mightily to make adjustments in game and has struggled to keep his team motivated for 4 quarters.

 

[drvenner]

Beamer is 2-5. That makes me happy.

 

[mrMet]

Thanks for the feedback. Not a big fan of smoky either. Have you had Herradura Legend?

I havent, but it’s on the list!

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

As for Milton. He is not Manning or Hooker. But he also isn't JG or Crompton. He gives us the best chance to win and I support him. We saw improvement on the road yesterday. Will we play in another road environment like that the rest of the year? No. Do we get our toughest remaining opponent at home? Yes. Even if we decided to change QB's do you think it would happen (outside of injury) prior to Georgia?

Look, I was hoping for 10-2 this year. More than likely we will be 8-4 with a good bowl. We need our freshman to get bigger and understand the schemes. Even our freshmen on defense are making costly mistakes against our better opponents. When you are forced to play freshmen, you are probably going to lose. WE MISS PILI BIGTIME!

I'm signing off now. I have to drive a van full of smelly soccer players across GA and back to Florida. It is literally the only time I wished masking rules were back. Freaking cleats are migraine inducing. Pray for me. Go Vols. Beat Kentucky!

Mr Met and Drvenner, you are back on the clock and thank you both for carrying the flag!

 

[Govolsman98]

Beamer is 2-5. That makes me happy.

Hope they hang on to him!

 

[volamite86]

Man, this place is going to be a lot better when we run the table. Enjoy the rest of the season fellas

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Part of preparing your team though is preparing them to play 4 full quarters which we haven’t done on the road in a long time. The gameplan only goes so far. As the saying goes, no plan survives first contact with the enemy, and Heupel these last 4 road games has struggled mightily to make adjustments in game and has struggled to keep his team motivated for 4 quarters.

I wonder how much of an effect it has on us when we see that we are blatantly getting screwed by the refs. I know it shouldn’t be an excuse, but these are 18 to 22-year-old kids. I’m sure it has to be hard to feel like you’re up against the mountain and not being given a fair chance. I wonder how much that affects the coaches and their play calls, as they try to protect Things from getting worse.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

He has a point

He does, but that just isn’t how Heupel is wired. Heupel is thinking win now. Transfer portal QB’s and getting young guys experience for 2024 / playing for the future aren’t anywhere on his mind right now.

In his opinion, Joe is our best shot at winning now. Is he correct in his belief? Think the only way we will know for sure is if Nico had to go play for some reason whether it be an injury to Joe or Joe putting on a performance resembling that of the 2013 Peterman debacle.

With all of that being said, Joe wasn’t a problem yesterday. If everyone had played as well and coached as well as Joe played, we would have left Tuscaloosa with a win yesterday.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

I wonder how much of an effect it has on us when we see that we are blatantly getting screwed by the refs. I know it shouldn’t be an excuse, but these are 18 to 22-year-old kids. I’m sure it has to be hard to feel like you’re up against the mountain and not being given a fair chance. I wonder how much that affects the coaches and their play calls, as they try to protect Things from getting worse.

That’s one of the things that separates a nice team from a great team. Nice teams play pretty well most of the time but wither when the odds are stacked against them. Great teams step up and take their game to a new level. Doesn’t mean they are always overcome those odds, but they don’t get obliterated when adversity strikes the way this team and coaching staff did yesterday.

 

[knoxvol52]

We need to make a very detailed submission for the SEC office, which laughs at such things, and considers well documented compilations of crooked officiating a bragging point for their refs. Behind closed doors.

It would be just terrible, surely, you know, if somehow someone outside our Athletic Department got hold of it and it were posted from an infinite number of places on the internet from outside the university. Truth bomb.

I understand what you're saying....but I don't believe getting into a pissing contest with league office is way to go...but I also don't know how to solve problem either....Nothing but bad things can come out of doing something like that...

 

[JCVol00]

And you lose more games. Heupel is paid to win games. Why this is so hard for you all to understand it's beyond my comprehension

I mean… our offense has scored 16, 34, 13 and 20 points in SEC games this year (yes I omitted the pick 6 and punt return td because they weren’t offensive TD’s). I really dont think we could do worse offensively with Nico at the helm, heck, it could give us the spark we need.

 

[JCVol00]

He does, but that just isn’t how Heupel is wired. Heupel is thinking win now. Transfer portal QB’s and getting young guys experience for 2024 / playing for the future aren’t anywhere on his mind right now.

In his opinion, Joe is our best shot at winning now. Is he correct in his belief? Think the only way we will know for sure is if Nico had to go play for some reason whether it be an injury to Joe or Joe putting on a performance resembling that of the 2013 Peterman debacle.

With all of that being said, Joe wasn’t a problem yesterday. If everyone had played as well and coached as well as Joe played, we would have left Tuscaloosa with a win yesterday.

It’s not completely Joe’s fault, but at the end of the day we’ve failed offensively in SEC play, averaging only 20.75 ppg including the uscjr game. That wont win us games, and Joe has been sloppy in the sec games besides the first half yesterday

 

[jave36]

There is something called "an invalid fair catch" they stated Dee made a gesture of a calling a fair catch...so ball was dead as soon as Seldon caught it...new rule I assume....Iowa got stripped of a victory due to same call yesterday...and they were the Home team...

It's an old rule. It's intended to prevent people from doing a fake fair catch signal to trick the defense. No one has ever interpreted it to mean waving below your waist is an invalid signal until our game.

 

[nashvol1]

Is the head official from last night really a realtor in Tuscaloosa? If true, this just can’t happen.

 

[nashvol1]

He had 271 yards passing and 2 TD . IT helps us your actually watch the game

And 59 rushing. One of Joe’s better games overall.

We lost because our coaches didn’t focus our team at the half and Banks over indexed to not giving up big plays and quit playing aggressive.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Would they stop the stupid dances if they stopped showing them do it on TV?

Unfortunately, the people who control this issue are more interested in the dances than the game of football.

 

[Rishvol]

I wonder how much of an effect it has on us when we see that we are blatantly getting screwed by the refs. I know it shouldn’t be an excuse, but these are 18 to 22-year-old kids. I’m sure it has to be hard to feel like you’re up against the mountain and not being given a fair chance. I wonder how much that affects the coaches and their play calls, as they try to protect Things from getting worse.

It's extremely tough. I had a kid last year get screwed by a ref and ended up getting pinned by trying a desperation move that he wouldn't of had to do if the ref had called it fair. I have to sit there and calm a kid down while I want to scream at the ref. If I do that I get suspended and have to do a bunch of crap and also have a chance of getting fired for making the school look bad. If he does it he can get suspended from school and thrown out of the tournament.

Fans just see the blatant cheating. From a coaches it pisses me off more knowing you also have to try and keep these kids motivated when they know they have no chance if the refs are also against them

 

[B EaZy40]

I havent, but it’s on the list!

It’s fantastic and worth the price tag imo

 

[Go Fight Win]

Joe isn’t “Josh’s guy” he’s our 6th year qb who was recruited out of high school by Michigan more than half a decade ago. Last year, when coach recruited Nico to Tennessee, he established that Nico is his guy. Joe is a very solid QB, but of course we expect Nico to be great & he will, in time. He’s 19. We don’t have to burn Nico’s redshirt when our issues don’t singularly land on the QB’s head. They just don’t. WR’s have been suspect this year. RB’s effective. Rhythm matters and when you can’t get into a rhythm because guys aren’t catching balls and the refs aren’t making calls, calls we were getting last year specifically defensive pass interference, it makes it very difficult for anyone, Joe, Nico, or otherwise.

Nick Saban raised enough fuss over the off season to reasonably affect how this conference (and seemingly nationwide) penalizes defensive pass interference. A penalty we got 3 times/game on average last season and a penalty we haven’t hardly seen all year. It’s hard to justify certain play calling when you know certain balls are riskier because DB’s can play physical with no repercussions. We are in a situation where we are learning the new rules as we go and for a team with our offensive identity it’s more difficult than others. Hence why we’ve all of a sudden got one of the top rushing attacks in the league. Our coach is smart and is finding ways to win around the new rules.

Let’s hope next year we at least get an updated official rule book so we can game plan the actual rules of the game and be able to put Nico in a real position for success. Are they going to call DPI? Did we watch Arizona State? It’s getting ridiculous

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

It’s not completely Joe’s fault, but at the end of the day we’ve failed offensively in SEC play, averaging only 20.75 ppg including the uscjr game. That wont win us games, and Joe has been sloppy in the sec games besides the first half yesterday

I don’t disagree, and, as someone else mentioned, I think Heupel does have a blind spot when it comes to Joe for whatever reason.

Where things stand right now, in theory we could still make a NY6 bowl if we win out. With Bowers out, maybe Georgia drops a game between now and our game with them. Because of that possibility, regardless of how outlandish it may be, Heupel is going to continue approach things as if winning the SEC East is still on the table which is exactly what he should do as of today.

Obviously a loss to Kentucky could change things immensely. No SEC East championship hopes and no NY6 hopes may make playing for the future necessary depending on how slim the gap between Joe and Nico is. Frankly, I would be pretty stunned if we don’t lose at least one of the Kentucky/Mizzou games.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

The most effective thing about Birmingham stealing games in broad daylight for Alabama is that it is not reviewable.

The second worst thing is that fan bases turn their anger inward on their own team, and in no time convince themselves that it was their team's own fault that they lost.

That was the most crooked game in the history of games, and there is absolutely nothing we could have done to overcome that level of rigging. Whatever anyone wants to imagine we "coulda shoulda woulda" done or not done would have simply been flagged like everything else was flagged or given the blind eye treatment (whichever helped Alabama).

The fix was in. Nothing coulda shoulda woulda worked. Nothing.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

Joe isn’t “Josh’s guy” he’s our 6th year qb who was recruited out of high school by Michigan more than half a decade ago. Last year, when coach recruited Nico to Tennessee, he established that Nico is his guy. Joe is a very solid QB, but of course we expect Nico to be great & he will, in time. He’s 19. We don’t have to burn Nico’s redshirt when our issues don’t singularly land on the QB’s head. They just don’t. WR’s have been suspect this year. RB’s effective. Rhythm matters and when you can’t get into a rhythm because guys aren’t catching balls and the refs aren’t making calls, calls we were getting last year specifically defensive pass interference, it makes it very difficult for anyone, Joe, Nico, or otherwise.

Nick Saban raised enough fuss over the off season to reasonably affect how this conference (and seemingly nationwide) penalizes defensive pass interference. A penalty we got 3 times/game on average last season and a penalty we haven’t hardly seen all year. It’s hard to justify certain play calling when you know certain balls are riskier because DB’s can play physical with no repercussions. We are in a situation where we are learning the new rules as we go and for a team with our offensive identity it’s more difficult than others. Hence why we’ve all of a sudden got one of the top rushing attacks in the league. Our coach is smart and is finding ways to win around the new rules.

Let’s hope next year we at least get an updated official rule book so we can game plan the actual rules of the game and be able to put Nico in a real position for success. Are they going to call DPI? Did we watch Arizona State? It’s getting ridiculous

Good post!!

 

[LargePairOfVols]

That’s one of the things that separates a nice team from a great team. Nice teams play pretty well most of the time but wither when the odds are stacked against them. Great teams step up and take their game to a new level. Doesn’t mean they are always overcome those odds, but they don’t get obliterated when adversity strikes the way this team and coaching staff did yesterday.

Good point. Great teams never have a half where they implode. We’ve imploded in 2 halfs (UF and Bama) already this year. You never see UGA/Bama/OSU do that. They’ll have moments where they won’t play well but they’ll never implode.

We’re getting there but we are still on the culture change journey. Need more consistent QB play too.