Recruiting Football Talk VII

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Orange. said:
This is very instructive. Please TURN OFF THE SOUND and watch 3 times. That is exactly what you saw, and there was not a doubt in your mind that was flagrant uncalled defensive pass interference.

Now TURN ON THE SOUND and watch and listen. This is important. You will experience the exact moment that Gary "Bama" Danielson talked even most RF posters, not to mention the whole world, into completely ignoring the PI and turn the situation into an attack on Milton.

Danielson completely shirked his responsibility to focus on and call out the PI (here and elsewhere in our passing game). Danielson is the replay analyst.

Danielson created a false narrative. With respect to the blatant pass interference (which it was the responsibility of the replay analyst to explain, it was a complete impertinent whether a more perfect pass were possible. The pass was adequate and would have been caught without the flagrant uncalled foul. Consciously or unconsciously Danielson instead proceeded to overwrite the direct experience of his viewership with a criticism targeted at Milton. He did this regularly throughout the game.

Whether the resulting uproar on our board about Milton that Danielson launched leading into Bama week was a mere coincidence or a habit, or a desire of his own, one can't say with certainty. That he effectively covered for the officiating instead of thematizing it, as a competent and neutral analyst would have done, is beyond dispute.

My concern is how very many people in their posts in this forum I have seen repeating and elaborating at length on Danielson's anti-Tennessee and anti-Milton replacement for this (and other) game-changing calls. Remarkable people do this as if "recalling" "their own" experience of the game. Anyone and everyone who has replaced the primary issue of the grossly anti-Tennessee officiating and anti-Tennessee "analyst" commentary with their unconsciously imitative speeches about Milton has been Danielson-ized and had their memories tampered with.

And for anyone who wants to defend what "Bama" Danielson said (because they as viewers or rather hearers inadvertently permitted Danielson to cause themselves to believe that Danielson's speech was pertinent and in fact their own idea really needed to quietly perform the experiment I suggest. And calmly reflect on it, quietly and to themselves.

This is why television is so powerful.

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that this negative "story" about Milton would be completely different. The offense would have been a great positive story, just like the defense. (To take one example: if not for the uncalled PI I am discussing, followed by another penalty moving us back, the play where Milton did not pick up the 4th and 2 on the scramble would never have occurred.

Considering also the similar, prominent uncalled PI in the endzone on a Milton pass. You will notice now that Danielson employed his same tactic there again of replacing the question of the blatant PI -- which wiped a TD off the board -- with an impertinent story about Milton's pass. The pass was adequate and the uncalled PI, not the pass, determined the outcome. In all likelihood we would have had 21 first quarter points.

Also note further -- and review some games from last year if this is not immediately evident to you -- the passes that Danielson was attacking Milton over on the two PIs that I am discussing were exactly like some passes that Hooker threw and completed last year. They were catchable passes made incomplete by cheating with impunity. The throw was not the fault. The SEC officiating and the coverup that Danielson sold were at fault.

As for Nico, we would have had so great a lead that Nico likely would have played and gotten SEC experience. The fault was the officiating, not Heupel's for not changing QBs, which latter is a false anti-Tennessee narrative, that is refuted by a close, circumspective look at the game replay.
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The refs missed a huge face mask against us
 
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Jimmy Football said:
I think Joe and the coaching staff missed a big opportunity not leaning into Joe’s running ability this offseason. Joe proved a couple of weeks back that he has some top end speed, and proved this past week that he can truck people. If they had worked with him to improve his ability to throw on the move, he would be a nightmare for teams to defend.
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I mean you are definitively stating that the staff didn’t work with Joe on that stuff….. I find that hard to believe as far as Joe’s mobility, he has the option every play to tuck it and run if he wants. Hendon did it all the time.

Joe just doesn’t do it, he has stated multiple times he is a pass first QB. He doesn’t look to run it. Stop blaming the coaches for something that isn’t their fault other than them continuing to play him.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Why do you all do this to yourselves?

Joe was 19 of 28 for 251 yards and 3 TDs against Clemson

He has had 5 games this year with an average of 20 completions and 32 attempts for 233 yards and a TD per game.

The biggest difference? WRs catching the deep balls. 2nd TD drive Squirrel catches a 50 yard pass that set up a 2 yd TD for Small, 4th TD drive Keyton catches a 46 yard TD.

Seems small, but those 2 big passes against Clemson made up 2 completions 96 yards and a TD. That's really been it, against every team we've faced there has been at least one or 2 of those deep balls that didn't hit. Missed DPI, bad throw, or drops. When those hit Joe has a game like Clemson, when they don't hit we get games like A&M.
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While all of this is true. Joe’s deep ball accuracy is atrocious. This year alone, Joe has had receivers running wide open down field and has just completely missed them.

The criticism towards Joe outside of the receiver drops is valid. When your offense is scheming passes like that wide open and you are just blatantly missing them because of how you throw the ball, it is on you.

The difference in Hendo and Joe, is that Hendo didn’t miss those throws. Joe does.
 
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Vol423 said:
Back when Tee played, defenses could manhandle receivers, and there was no targeting. If a wide receiver ran a route over the middle, they knew they would pay for it, and secondary players were active headhunters. Therefore, completion percentages for everyone were lower.
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he also played in a pro style offense…. we weren’t spreading the defense thin.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Which... are also awful for the most part.

Like when I think of our great QBs, Tee is never one of them. People putting him in their top 5 or whatever I understand because he was the guy when we won it all and he did make plays. But so many better QBs have played here and just weren't lucky enough to have a great team around them.
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i would never have Tee in the top 5 of UT QBs…. i don’t think he would eat bc Tee Martin was great but bc this offense is designed to make average QBs great and good qbs elite….. Sort of similar to the run and shoot or air raid offense.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
While all of this is true. Joe’s deep ball accuracy is atrocious. This year alone, Joe has had receivers running wide open down field and has just completely missed them.

The criticism towards Joe outside of the receiver drops is valid. When your offense is scheming passes like that wide open and you are just blatantly missing them because of how you throw the ball, it is on you.

The difference in Hendo and Joe, is that Hendo didn’t miss those throws. Joe does.
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People tend to remember the catches and forget the misses. Hooker had a couple misses every game.
Difference is they were erased from memories by gaudy plays and numbers. So far Milton has had to throw into tighter windows than Hooker usually had to. I mean last year we had at least one wide open receiver on every play. We don't have the same receivers anymore.
 
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rikberry31 said:
People tend to remember the catches and forget the misses. Hooker had a couple misses every game.
Difference is they were erased from memories by gaudy plays and numbers. So far Milton has had to throw into tighter windows than Hooker usually had to. I mean last year we had at least one wide open receiver on every play. We don't have the same receivers anymore.
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Agreed. Last night, I rewatched the Bama game from last year. Hooker missed two big throws - the fourth down throw to Keyton into the end zone and the INT. Before rewatching that, my memory had somehow convinced me that Hooker never missed a throw…although I do remember him being somewhat “off” against South Carolina.
 
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volbeast33 said:
i would never have Tee in the top 5 of UT QBs…. i don’t think he would eat bc Tee Martin was great but bc this offense is designed to make average QBs great and good qbs elite….. Sort of similar to the run and shoot or air raid offense.
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UT's offense is not like the run and shoot or the air raid, in fact it is diametrically opposed. This offense wants to run the ball first and foremost. Yes it spreads the defense out but it is to lighten the box to create running room and make it difficult to hide blitzes and disguise coverages. The big pass plays result from teams trying to stop the run by loading the box.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I mean you are definitively stating that the staff didn’t work with Joe on that stuff….. I find that hard to believe as far as Joe’s mobility, he has the option every play to tuck it and run if he wants. Hendon did it all the time.

Joe just doesn’t do it, he has stated multiple times he is a pass first QB. He doesn’t look to run it. Stop blaming the coaches for something that isn’t their fault other than them continuing to play him.
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1. Whether they worked with him on it or not, I’m pretty sure they didn’t emphasize it, which is what I meant by “lean into.”

2. At some point, Joe needs the Virginia Venit “Face it, Happy: you’re a golfer” speech. He’s never gonna be a guy that can pick apart a defense from the pocket. I think you agree with me on this.

3. I don’t really blame the coaches. They wanted Joe to be a pocket passer, and that’s what Joe wanted to be. And we’re 5-1; it hasn’t been a total disaster, or anything. That post was more of a “if you had it to do over again” kind of thing.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
While all of this is true. Joe’s deep ball accuracy is atrocious. This year alone, Joe has had receivers running wide open down field and has just completely missed them.

The criticism towards Joe outside of the receiver drops is valid. When your offense is scheming passes like that wide open and you are just blatantly missing them because of how you throw the ball, it is on you.

The difference in Hendo and Joe, is that Hendo didn’t miss those throws. Joe does.
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Hooker was actually criticized by some in year one for the long misses. I was at the Music City Bowl, and people on here were quite critical.

I’m not going to say that Joe has been good, but he’s probably been the most scrutinized QB at UT in quite some time.
 
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