The Atlanta Braves

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TBrown said:
Most teams bat their best player second. We bat our 5th (?) best second.

Ronald likes to bat first and we don’t have a leadoff hitter so it is what it is. We didn’t lose because lineup construction (although it’s pretty peculiar to submit a G1 lineup we’ve literally never used despite having the last 40 games to do whatever we wanted with), we lost because the other side has better players.
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I don’t know about better but what they do at the plate works a lot better than us in the playoffs, I would agree. Swinging first pitch against Pittsburgh on off speed outside the zone in August is fine. It’s not in October. They work counts and get to their pitch. We don’t.

Also their manager has a sense of urgency with his pitchers our guy doesnt. But that’s never changing
 
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To a degree (at least), are we all being fooled by randomness here? In the 2022 and 2023 regular seasons, the Braves went 205-119, including 19-13 against Philly. They got bounced from the playoffs by going 2-6, which is a span of games that is 2.5% the length of those 2 regular seasons.

You can find 3-4 game spans within the regular season this year where the offense came close to the offensive ineptitude they showed in the NLDS. Early April against SD, mid/late April against SD/Houston, mid-May against Toronto, late May against Philly/Oakland. That's just the first 2 months of the season.

I know this is incredibly frustrating, but I'm not sure how many sweeping conclusions you can draw from it. The older I get, the more I believe that certain postseasons (NCAAT and MLB for sure, but maybe others), however entertaining they might be, are not good ways for determining who the best team is. I kind of see now why European soccer fans think playoffs are dumb. Not dumb in the sense that they are not entertaining (quite the opposite actually), but dumb from the perspective of determining that year's league champion.
 
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The 9th inning in G4 is a perfect example of just not understanding it’s the playoffs. The 7-8-9 guys know the one job should be is get to Ronnie. Nothing else matters. Get to Ronnie. Pillar swings at two breaking balls outside the zone and pops out. Eddie, cold off the bench, swings at a fastball in on his hands late and flies out. It’s just stupid baseball.
 
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Even if Philly hadn’t hit a bazillion homers, they consistently put together better ABs, and strung together more good ABs consecutively, that even without the homers, they probably win the series anyway due to the number of scoring opportunities.
 
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05_never_again said:
To a degree (at least), are we all being fooled by randomness here? In the 2022 and 2023 regular seasons, the Braves went 205-119, including 19-13 against Philly. They got bounced from the playoffs by going 2-6, which is a span of games that is 2.5% the length of those 2 regular seasons.

You can find 3-4 game spans within the regular season this year where the offense came close to the offensive ineptitude they showed in the NLDS. Early April against SD, mid/late April against SD/Houston, mid-May against Toronto, late May against Philly/Oakland. That's just the first 2 months of the season.

I know this is incredibly frustrating, but I'm not sure how many sweeping conclusions you can draw from it. The older I get, the more I believe that certain postseasons (NCAAT and MLB for sure, but maybe others), however entertaining they might be, are not good ways for determining who the best team is. I kind of see now why European soccer fans think playoffs are dumb. Not dumb in the sense that they are not entertaining (quite the opposite actually), but dumb from the perspective of determining that year's league champion.
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There’s definitely a randomness aspect to it that can’t be fixed. I’m not gonna sit here and say “Philadelphia is so much better than us.” I don’t think one player magically fixes it. I don’t think we need to rebuild the entire roster. It doesn’t help Morton has pitched 2 innings because of injuries the last two years (maybe AA will actually spend real money at SP now).

But the lack of urgency at manager and the fact they have terrible AB’s against Philly the last two years is an issue. They seem to be intimated playing at the bank (they aren’t the only ones). Whether that’s getting another dude in the rotation or adding a stud LF, either way there is high probability we will see them again next year.
 
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zjcvols said:
There’s definitely a randomness aspect to it that can’t be fixed. I’m not gonna sit here and say “Philadelphia is so much better than us.” I don’t think one player magically fixes it. I don’t think we need to rebuild the entire roster. It doesn’t help Morton has pitched 2 innings because of injuries the last two years (maybe AA will actually spend real money at SP now).

But the lack of urgency at manager and the fact they have terrible AB’s against Philly the last two years is an issue. They seem to be intimated playing at the bank (they aren’t the only ones). Whether that’s getting another dude in the rotation or adding a stud LF, either way there is high probability we will see them again next year.
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Right - the randomness of the postseason (even though I think it is very significant) does not excuse not doing things to make the team better.
 
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TBrown said:
Most teams bat their best player second. We bat our 5th (?) best second.

Ronald likes to bat first and we don’t have a leadoff hitter so it is what it is. We didn’t lose because lineup construction (although it’s pretty peculiar to submit a G1 lineup we’ve literally never used despite having the last 40 games to do whatever we wanted with), we lost because the other side has better players.
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Philly bats Harper 3rd. Alvarez hits 3rd or 4th.
I know it's not the reason we lost, we lost because our offense put up AB's a HS team could put up. I just don't think batting Ronald leadoff is the best use of him.
 
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Regulator said:
Even if Philly hadn’t hit a bazillion homers, they consistently put together better ABs, and strung together more good ABs consecutively, that even without the homers, they probably win the series anyway due to the number of scoring opportunities.
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Yep.
05_never_again said:
To a degree (at least), are we all being fooled by randomness here? In the 2022 and 2023 regular seasons, the Braves went 205-119, including 19-13 against Philly. They got bounced from the playoffs by going 2-6, which is a span of games that is 2.5% the length of those 2 regular seasons.

You can find 3-4 game spans within the regular season this year where the offense came close to the offensive ineptitude they showed in the NLDS. Early April against SD, mid/late April against SD/Houston, mid-May against Toronto, late May against Philly/Oakland. That's just the first 2 months of the season.

I know this is incredibly frustrating, but I'm not sure how many sweeping conclusions you can draw from it. The older I get, the more I believe that certain postseasons (NCAAT and MLB for sure, but maybe others), however entertaining they might be, are not good ways for determining who the best team is. I kind of see now why European soccer fans think playoffs are dumb. Not dumb in the sense that they are not entertaining (quite the opposite actually), but dumb from the perspective of determining that year's league champion.
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sure, there’s a randomness to postseason baseball same as there’s a randomness to literally anything except the nba playoffs.

But this has been staring us in the face for months.
 
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TBrown said:
Yep.

sure, there’s a randomness to postseason baseball same as there’s a randomness to literally anything except the nba playoffs.

But this has been staring us in the face for months.
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MLB playoff randomness is only met (maybe even exceeded) by NCAAT randomness. I think it way more random than the NFL.

It was staring us in the face for months, but how much of the reason for that was because they beat us last year? The "this is going to happen again, isn't it" feeling I think was in large part because it happened in 2022. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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05_never_again said:
MLB playoff randomness is only met (maybe even exceeded) by NCAAT randomness. I think it way more random than the NFL.

It was staring us in the face for months, but how much of the reason for that was because they beat us last year? The "this is going to happen again, isn't it" feeling I think was in large part because it happened in 2022. Nothing more, nothing less.
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That’s fine to feel that way. We are fans. The problem is when the players feel that way and you saw it. As soon as Bryce hit that homer in Game 3, the team knew it was cooked. And that’s a problem.
 
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zjcvols said:
That’s fine to feel that way. We are fans. The problem is when the players feel that way and you saw it. As soon as Bryce hit that homer in Game 3, the team knew it was cooked. And that’s a problem.
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Hell, like I was saying earlier in the thread, those boys looked shook after the first time through the order in Game 1. It stunned me. I know confidence is a funny, nebulous thing that can unexpectedly come and go, but after the massive success they had over an entire regular season hitting the ball it was surprising.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
And the starters better be better than Tommy Milone and Drew Smyly
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AA has not signed a SP to a multi year deal since he got here. There’s not an ace but there’s a couple solid options out there that are better than Bryce Elder. No reason to try this one year deal **** again.
 
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zjcvols said:
I agree we will probably see them down the road, but that is a lot of veterans, a weak farm, a lot of money tied up and Nola is a FA.
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RH will be back and we both know what they will be super aggressive in the FA market. Prolly end up with Ohtani way things are going
 
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zjcvols said:
AA has not signed a SP to a multi year deal since he got here. There’s not an ace but there’s a couple solid options out there that are better than Bryce Elder. No reason to try this one year deal **** again.
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What they do will tell us a lot about what they plan to do with Max.
Assuming AJSS and Waldrep are in the rotation within the next year or 2, I could see us only signing one guy to a longer deal, if they don't plan on keeping Max I think you sign 2.

Honestly I think we should shop Anderson, Ynoa and Grissom this off season.
 
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I’d like to see them beat the Rangers before I crown them. We definitely need to get better and are not far off. I’m not going doom and gloom and if that’s what you want to do, then that’s on you.
 
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I know thing, I hope my man Philly Brown can victory lap Joe Milton after this weekend like he has the Phillies, I would gladly hear that one.
 
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