War in Ukraine

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MontyPython said:
That vid is insane.

War has changed forever.

And to think, drones are still really in their infancy.
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HFS.

Imagine sending a fleet of these things out across a battlefield with search and destroy AI.



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evillawyer said:
So Russia is STRONGER after losing some of the Black Sea Fleet's top command. Just wanna make sure I'm understanding your lunacy correctly
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I think he meant it in the sense of their economy being stronger.

I mean the ruble is certainly stro...... well, maybe not.

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You got me, maybe Russia has cornered the market on cheap eggs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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BeardedVol said:
You should probably Google, "Net Book Value".

This is not some conspiracy by Ukrainians to defraud the government, especially since inflating the value of military hardware would server no purpose for them.

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It's a DoD pencil pusher looking at the wrong column on a spreadsheet.
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in my business that type of error could be considered fraud, and could end in jail time. because its the government, its corruption. could just be an honest mistake, 100% willing to believe that, but it doesn't change the fact that we gave them more than we said, and lied to the public about it and is a form of corruption. it doesn't have to be a pallet of cash showing up on some defense contractors door step to be corruption.

I never said it was by Ukraine, why do you throw out so many straw men?

have they always used Net Book Value? If so why was this time different? Seems like they are trying to cover for themselves.

and you clearly aren't paying attention now, or haven't paid attention in the past. this is the same thing they always do. Your own clip says 189 complaints, certainly all of those won't pan out, but what will happen is those investigations will stay open until its all over. That way they never have to admit to finding issues, because they haven't finished investigating "officially". Then what will happen is a couple years later the truth will come out, but by that point you will be trying to explain how the next fight will be different from the last time, and all the times before it. How many billions did we straight up lose during Iraq and Afghanistan? And you suddenly believe we have that wrapped up?
 
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volgr said:
The best thing for Ukraine was to remain neutral. They eff'ed that up. Did Russia mistreat the Ukrainian region at times in it's history? Sure. Did the US mistreat the south at times in it's history? Sure. China? Same. Welcome to the complicated history of large Countries. In your list of mistreatment, you failed to list the West's mistreatment of proxies like Ukraine, over the last 40-60 years.

Bottom line, the West destroyed what was Ukraine and when given ample opportunities to avoid this outcome, the West ignored them. Why? Because the West was advancing THEIR agenda, not Ukraine's. The West was looking out for THEIR best interest, not Ukraine's.
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you know what neutral means right? Able to deal with both. equal treatment for all sides.

Ukraine previously (pre2014) only had major trade relations with Russia. aka not neutral at all. Yanukoyvch ran on a platform of closer ties with the west and won the election because of that. he then crawfished when the Russians freaked out about Ukraine also trading with the west. Russia made sure Ukraine didn't maintain neutrality. Its also very difficult to maintain neutrality when one of the nations declares war on you. Russia has absolutely zero interest in Ukrainian neutrality. Ukrainian neutrality would have its own military, and its own elected officials. Very specific things Russia is out to get rid of.

I was purely listing Russia and Ukrainian relations because that was the subject at hand. you clearly don't have an argument because you are trying to deflect to other countries issues. we are discussing the very real issues currently on going in Ukraine.

If you want to get extensive I can expand my list of Russian wrongs outside of what they have done in Ukraine alone.

how did the west destroy what was Ukraine? If you believe Ukraine is under the West's thumb where was the ban on Ukraine to trade with Russia? The single biggest thing destroying Ukraine is Russia. both on physically, and financially. without Russia attacking Ukraine there would be nothing to drive Ukraine into the arms of the west.
 
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LouderVol said:
in my business that type of error could be considered fraud, and could end in jail time. because its the government, its corruption. could just be an honest mistake, 100% willing to believe that, but it doesn't change the fact that we gave them more than we said, and lied to the public about it and is a form of corruption. it doesn't have to be a pallet of cash showing up on some defense contractors door step to be corruption.

I never said it was by Ukraine, why do you throw out so many straw men?

have they always used Net Book Value? If so why was this time different? Seems like they are trying to cover for themselves.

and you clearly aren't paying attention now, or haven't paid attention in the past. this is the same thing they always do. Your own clip says 189 complaints, certainly all of those won't pan out, but what will happen is those investigations will stay open until its all over. That way they never have to admit to finding issues, because they haven't finished investigating "officially". Then what will happen is a couple years later the truth will come out, but by that point you will be trying to explain how the next fight will be different from the last time, and all the times before it. How many billions did we straight up lose during Iraq and Afghanistan? And you suddenly believe we have that wrapped up?
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How exactly would it be "fraud" for the DoD to accidentally overvalue a piece of equipment given to Ukraine through an aid program?

The whole point of the original post was the nonsensical statement that there is "zero oversight" to the aid going to Ukraine, which is demonstrably false.

189 complaints have been made, and so far no substantial instances of fraud or abuse have been found in the OIG investigations. You can start complaining when one of those investigations finds something worth noting.
 
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BeardedVol said:
How exactly would it be "fraud" for the DoD to accidentally overvalue a piece of equipment given to Ukraine through an aid program?

The whole point of the original post was the nonsensical statement that there is "zero oversight" to the aid going to Ukraine, which is demonstrably false.

189 complaints have been made, and so far no substantial instances of fraud or abuse have been found in the OIG investigations. You can start complaining when one of those investigations finds something worth noting.
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how many of those 189 are closed cases?

I already broke that down. the clean cases will get closed, and offered up as "see no corruption.", there will be 5/10/20 cases that remain open long past the others and won't get commented on. then a couple years after the fact, they will be closed and they will find that either the money/goods went missing like they did in Afghanistan, they got sent somewhere they shouldn't, etc etc. but by that point no one will care, just like with the missing money in Afghanistan. draw it out long enough and no one cares when you admit it at decade later.

and people like you will continue to argue that there is no problem to fix.
 
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volgr said:
The best thing for Ukraine was to remain neutral. They eff'ed that up. Did Russia mistreat the Ukrainian region at times in it's history? Sure. Did the US mistreat the south at times in it's history? Sure. China? Same. Welcome to the complicated history of large Countries. In your list of mistreatment, you failed to list the West's mistreatment of proxies like Ukraine, over the last 40-60 years.

Bottom line, the West destroyed what was Ukraine and when given ample opportunities to avoid this outcome, the West ignored them. Why? Because the West was advancing THEIR agenda, not Ukraine's. The West was looking out for THEIR best interest, not Ukraine's.
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Ukraine seemed to be pretty neutral until Russia started taking over Ukrainian territory.
 
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headhunter15 said:


Won’t help the remaining American support with this war…
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I mean, the people who do support the war aren't the ones who are supporting the politicians causing this.

Colin is saying "the government" is causing the shutdown, what he should be saying is "radical republican's and an impotent McCarthy" is causing the shutdown.

My guess is he's purposefully obfuscating who is behind this to gin up misdirected outrage.
 
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headhunter15 said:


Won’t help the remaining American support with this war…
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I'm all for killing Russians while keeping Americans from being directly involved..but in the FAA we can't even order parts to repair equipment at airports across the country. Hell Ukraine has been given more money this year than the FAA has received in 40. We have f###ing Pentium 2 MMX computers running DOS programs still......... (IDS4 - Systems Atlanta). Our beacon systems are from the 1970's. Our airport radars are from the mid 1980's. Everything is old AF and you can't even get parts for anymore because the manufacturing capability was long gone decades ago. Hell, we still have our radar data coming in on DB9 serial ports..Thats the 1960's...

Our automation and controllers are what make us the safest airspace to fly in...(and maybe pilots)
 
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Septic said:
I mean, the people who do support the war aren't the ones who are supporting the politicians causing this.

Colin is saying "the government" is causing the shutdown, what he should be saying is "radical republican's and an impotent McCarthy" is causing the shutdown.

My guess is he's purposefully obfuscating who is behind this to gin up misdirected outrage.
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LOL

Yeah, the complete refusal of the democrats to any compromise has nothing to do with it.
 
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