Orangeslice13, a blessing to those around him…..Again

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Behr said:
I know your history with Rex @Orangeslice13 and I've been totally frustrated with him at times myself, but I realized this morning that I actually believe he's not right, for lack of of a better phrase. I feel sorry for him. I believe he means well but there's a wire loose.

Jmo.
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About a month ago a very good friend’s daughter tried to kill herself. Turns out internet bullying was a major contributor. I refuse to be involved in picking on people for fun anymore. I say that to say I agree with you on him. And I just can’t talk to him without getting nasty (to my shame) so I won’t talk to him anymore.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I wish/hope you were/are right. What about the 100 that were swallowed up into Sheol when they immediately rejected God and chose the golden calf to worship during the 30 years in the wilderness? Are they in heaven?

I don't want ANYONE to go to hell....at all. Eternity is eternity.
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@norrislakevol

My initial reaction is no sin outweighs the glory of HaShem.
And I’m not their judge. That falls to messiah whom YHWH sent.
But….what can we learn from others. We know that faith is believing G-d. Genesis says that Abraham believed YHWH and it was accounted to him as righteous. So did the 100 belief YHWH? It doesn’t appear that way does it. Because G-d put judgement on them immediately. Are there any other examples of someone who was judged immediately for his sin but was still Righteous?



There was a king. His sin was so offensive that G-d allowed a departed prophet to be called up by a psychic to tell the king that his life was over because of his sin…..but he would still be with the prophet in paradise.

Name those people.
 
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Another thought. The ancient definition of shoel is simply the grave. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything beyond that. It doesn’t imply afterlife of consciousness.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
@norrislakevol

My initial reaction is no sin outweighs the glory of HaShem.
And I’m not their judge. That falls to messiah whom YHWH sent.
But….what can we learn from others. We know that faith is believing G-d. Genesis says that Abraham believed YHWH and it was accounted to him as righteous. So did the 100 belief YHWH? It doesn’t appear that way does it. Because G-d put judgement on them immediately. Are there any other examples of someone who was judged immediately for his sin but was still Righteous?



There was a king. His sin was so offensive that G-d allowed a departed prophet to be called up by a psychic to tell the king that his life was over because of his sin…..but he would still be with the prophet in paradise.

Name those people.
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I know, but I won't answer 👀
 
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@508mikey

So I’m in lowes not long ago. This older rough looking almost homeless looking guy is looking at me and walks up to me near my truck in the parking lot. Probably 250 pounds 70 overweight.
I’m thinking great he’s going to talk to me. He walks up and says “hey man, how have you been?” I finally realized he was a good friend in high school. He was a wrestler. He was a great wrestler. Im mean super in shape and he’s a year after me in high school and 2 years younger. Telling me his story he had lost a foot to diabetes and had a fake one. Health problems beyond belief and all I can think is “I’m 2 years older than you.

Crazy
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
@norrislakevol

My initial reaction is no sin outweighs the glory of HaShem.
And I’m not their judge. That falls to messiah whom YHWH sent.
But….what can we learn from others. We know that faith is believing G-d. Genesis says that Abraham believed YHWH and it was accounted to him as righteous. So did the 100 belief YHWH? It doesn’t appear that way does it. Because G-d put judgement on them immediately. Are there any other examples of someone who was judged immediately for his sin but was still Righteous?



There was a king. His sin was so offensive that G-d allowed a departed prophet to be called up by a psychic to tell the king that his life was over because of his sin…..but he would still be with the prophet in paradise.

Name those people.
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I see what you are saying, and it appears that you are referring to Saul that went to the medium to make contact with Samuel. I am not God, and I am not peoples judge. It's not my job, thankfully. Even King David, who was full of sin was loved greatly by God. Like I said, I hope you are right.
 
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I followed this conversation back a couple of posts and just wanted to get my 1.23 cents worth in, for no other reason but to share how interesting it is to me how I can so vehemently agree and disagree with you on Biblical subjects. I mean to agree with the things we agree on, it's crazy that we disagree on the things we do. Lol, if that makes sense.

Orangeslice13 said:
There was a king. His sin was so offensive that G-d allowed a departed prophet to be called up by a psychic to tell the king that his life was over because of his sin…..but he would still be with the prophet in paradise.

Name those people.
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We've discussed this before so no need to any further but I'm still not convinced it was actually Samuel. I'm not certain enough to to argue it with anyone though. I still read it as it's written, but ....I still have reservations.
And in my humble opinion I don't believe he meant to be with him in paradise.

Orangeslice13 said:
I’m a Torah keeping believer in messiah.
The first misunderstanding Christians have (IMO) is the definition of sin. Sin isn’t evil. It’s just missing the mark. Or acting in a way that wasn’t intended. It doesn’t mean you’re going to hell. (There is no hell) it just means you messed up. Remember we had sacrifices for sins we didn’t know we committed.
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And I'm studying Genesis 6-8 right now and when I read this I immediately thought "then why did God destroy the world with a global flood if He didn't think sin was evil"?
 
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norrislakevol said:
I see what you are saying, and it appears that you are referring to Saul that went to the medium to make contact with Samuel. I am not God, and I am not peoples judge. It's not my job, thankfully. Even King David, who was full of sin was loved greatly by God. Like I said, I hope you are right.
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I knew you’d get it.
without speaking for you…. You seem to believe like I do. I study and apply His word to my life. I expect to be judged for it. I allow others to do the same. I’m only responsible for me. I don’t get bothered if others don’t agree with me when I share what I believe. They need to decide for themselves and be ready for their own judgment.


Honestly, if I’m deemed worthy of life, I think I’ll be surprised as to who else is there and who isn’t.

Actually I think scripture indicates we won’t remember those who are not there….but that’s a different conversation
 
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I followed this conversation back a couple of posts and just wanted to get my 1.23 cents worth in, for no other reason but to share how interesting it is to me how I can so vehemently agree and disagree with you on Biblical subjects. I mean to agree with the things we agree on, it's crazy that we disagree on the things we do. Lol, if that makes sense.



We've discussed this before so no need to any further but I'm still not convinced it was actually Samuel. I'm not certain enough to to argue it with anyone though. I still read it as it's written, but ....I still have reservations.
And in my humble opinion I don't believe he meant to be with him in paradise.



And I'm studying Genesis 6-8 right now and when I read this I immediately thought "then why did God destroy the world with a global flood if He didn't think sin was evil"?
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You know you’re one of the few I’ll go deep on this topic with because of your non judgmental attitude and ability to discuss.

All nice points.
Edit: and I should do a better job of being clear on the definition of sin.
As to sin. It isn’t necessarily evil. It absolutely can be and often is. In Gen 6-8 it says that man’s thoughts were of evil constantly. So the world was destroyed for the evil portion of their sin and not the sin itself.
 
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In case anyone is reading along here is the scripture support

Gen 6
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of [f]their hearts was only evil continually. 6 So the Lord was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved [g]in His heart. 7 Then the Lord said, “I will wipe out mankind whom I have created from the face of the land; mankind, and animals as well, and crawling things, and the birds of the sky. For I am sorry that I have made them.”
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You know you’re one of the few I’ll go deep on this topic with because of your non judgmental attitude and ability to discuss.

All nice points.
Edit: and I should do a better job of being clear on the definition of sin.
As to sin. It isn’t necessarily evil. It absolutely can be and often is. In Gen 6-8 it says that man’s thoughts were of evil constantly. So the world was destroyed for the evil portion of their sin and not the sin itself.
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It took a second to get that. Lol.

I get it and agree to a point. It's not the act of sin that bothers Him as much as to why we sinned.

It's all about our hearts.

But I'm lost on the world was destroyed for the evil portions of their sins. What was the evil portions of their sins and wouldn't that be sin?
 
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It took a second to get that. Lol.

I get it and agree to a point. It's not the act of sin that bothers Him as much as to why we sinned.

It's all about our hearts.

But I'm lost on the world was destroyed for the evil portions of their sins. What was the evil portions of their sins and wouldn't that be sin?
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I try not to speculate on others when I don’t have information.
Let’s go with sin that isn’t evil. The Diatary portion on the law is for our benefit and blessing. It’s what we are intended to eat. Let’s say you go to a party and eat a casserole or food dip that has something in it that you’re not supposed to be eating. You ate it, you have no idea that you ate it so you missed the mark of intention (sinned) and didn’t know it.

Paul's writing addresses this Torah concept when he wrote to the Philippians

, 14 I press on toward the mark for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Therefore, all who are [i]mature, let’s have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that to you as well; 16 however, let’s keep [j]living by that same standard to which we have attained.

some versions say “Goal” instead of “mark” but the point remains there is a standard to strive.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
In case anyone is reading along here is the scripture support

Gen 6
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of [f]their hearts was only evil continually. 6 So the Lord was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved [g]in His heart. 7 Then the Lord said, “I will wipe out mankind whom I have created from the face of the land; mankind, and animals as well, and crawling things, and the birds of the sky. For I am sorry that I have made them.”
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6:1-8 is a mind blowing study for me. I'm still questioning what I believe of verses 2 and 4. But I have come to understanding verse 6. Part of the reason I think the way I do and believe they way I do is I have complete trust in the Bible and I do my best to find the answers to my questions from the Bible. Which version? A variety of 6. Lol.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
@norrislakevol

My initial reaction is no sin outweighs the glory of HaShem.
And I’m not their judge. That falls to messiah whom YHWH sent.
But….what can we learn from others. We know that faith is believing G-d. Genesis says that Abraham believed YHWH and it was accounted to him as righteous. So did the 100 belief YHWH? It doesn’t appear that way does it. Because G-d put judgement on them immediately. Are there any other examples of someone who was judged immediately for his sin but was still Righteous?



There was a king. His sin was so offensive that G-d allowed a departed prophet to be called up by a psychic to tell the king that his life was over because of his sin…..but he would still be with the prophet in paradise.

Name those people.
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Do you think Peter was immediately judged after he denied Christ? Jesus told him what he would do and he still did it. He didn’t believe what Jesus had told him, he lied to Jesus and he denied Christ. Does the cock crowing represent his judgment and, or a sign to show Peter that Jesus like God the Father knows our every transgression and our future transgressions?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I try not to speculate on others when I don’t have information.
Let’s go with sin that isn’t evil. The Diatary portion on the law is for our benefit and blessing. It’s what we are intended to eat. Let’s say you go to a party and eat a casserole or food dip that has something in it that you’re not supposed to be eating. You ate it, you have no idea that you ate it so you missed the mark of intention (sinned) and didn’t know it.

Paul's writing addresses this Torah concept when he wrote to the Philippians

, 14 I press on toward the mark for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Therefore, all who are [i]mature, let’s have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that to you as well; 16 however, let’s keep [j]living by that same standard to which we have attained.

some versions say “Goal” instead of “mark” but the point remains there is a standard to strive.
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I understand what you are saying about an unintentional sin. I also think it’s like Paul said, he died daily. And, I think he repented daily.
 
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