The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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SpaceCoastVol said:
No they started the day that Puddinhead was installed in November
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So then the 81 million that voted for him couldn't have known he would sh*t the bed on "the border and the economy" then, right? You're inadvertently making my point for me.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
He actually had no real, documented policies. Articulate them in real detail. Hearing how you made 12% on your money for 2 years isn't evidence
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So let's force every candidate to make a list of campaign promises and then hold him/her to it. Default on any, and out you go ... BTW it still counts as a default on a pledge if congress says you can't have the money to do it or you can't reallocate the funds. And BTW where did joe get the money to pay off student loans??? Seems like that's a bit more than what was projected to build a border wall when congress (at least the left side) went ballistic.
 
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AM64 said:
So let's force every candidate to make a list of campaign promises and then hold him/her to it. Default on any, and out you go ... BTW it still counts as a default on a pledge if congress says you can't have the money to do it or you can't reallocate the funds. And BTW where did joe get the money to pay off student loans??? Seems like that's a bit more than what was projected to build a border wall when congress (at least the left side) went ballistic.
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A plethora of reasonable grievances as to the system. Total avoidance of detailed responses to the actual questions
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
81 million (allegedly) voted for a basement dwelling, career racist, dementia riddled politician... maybe speaking to the American public as a 12 year old valley girl is what is warranted.
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How can you guys continue to get it so wrong?
I know you've been told hundreds of times by now.
Once again................................
81 million did not vote for Biden, most of the votes were for ANYBODY BUT TRUMP.

Maybe being in all caps, larger font, bolded, and uderline will help you zero in on the important detail.
 
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AM64 said:
There's an older book The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg that I highly recommend. The author was a journalist and Marine officer badly wounded in Vietnam. The book itself covers at least the early careers of John McCain, Bud McFarlane, Oliver North, John Poindexter, and Jim Webb - all Naval Academy grads. McCain was an interesting figure, but there were always hints that he had character flaws. Unfortunately I don't have the ebook to quote the passage, but ADM McCain (McCain's father) and the Commandant of the Naval Academy were at an Officer's Club waiting for their sons (both at the Naval Academy) and one made the comment that went something like "here come our two greatest disappointments".

Again the book is highly worth reading. My brother had recommended it to me, and then my wife bought me a copy. While was stationed in DC, she worked some shifts (nurse) at Bethesda Naval Hospital to keep clinically current. One of the patients mentioned that she should check in on the guy next door who happened to be Robert Timberg - her patient told her about the book. Timberg tells about being wounded and terribly burned and disfigured in Vietnam in Blue-Eyed Boy - I also recommend reading that.
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I will check it out. I blame the Vietnam War mostly on the leadership starting with the Presidency. Information and misinformation a lot like what we are seeing today. No entry and no exit strategy plus no real plan on the ground. The Military was not very well trained could not coordinate nor did it take the necessary actions to end it in a quick manner. It dragged on because of the leadership, the profits it generated, the misinformation giving to the public, so many reasons for letting this go on and on. I don't even think that it was recognized as a War until 10 years after the fact. Evidently, our leadership thought it was going to be a walk in the park like Korea as they did not think China would get involved. What's more, this conflict could have ended in 10 days had we just knocked out the dams/dikes and flooded the area. North Vietnam did not have any anti aircraft in the area but got wise placed them in the area. Overall poor leadership and a failure to execute a set plan.
 
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luthervol said:
How can you guys continue to get it so wrong?
I know you've been told hundreds of times by now.
Once again................................
81 million did not vote for Biden, most of the votes were for ANYBODY BUT TRUMP.

Maybe being in all caps, larger font, bolded, and uderline will help you zero in on the important detail.
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Biden is about to set the undisputed federal deficit non covid record at $1.5T.
 
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Septic said:
This is a thread about trump, you rube.

I've asked you to please try to pay attention once already. I also find your assertion of "but but but trump" pretty funny given your propensity to whine about dementia joe in every thread you stumble into.
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Doesn’t matter the thread that’s your response to everything
 
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volfanhill said:
Who the hell eats subway?
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Sudden Impact said:
I will check it out. I blame the Vietnam War mostly on the leadership starting with the Presidency. Information and misinformation a lot like what we are seeing today. No entry and no exit strategy plus no real plan on the ground. The Military was not very well trained could not coordinate nor did it take the necessary actions to end it in a quick manner. It dragged on because of the leadership, the profits it generated, the misinformation giving to the public, so many reasons for letting this go on and on. I don't even think that it was recognized as a War until 10 years after the fact. Evidently, our leadership thought it was going to be a walk in the park like Korea as they did not think China would get involved. What's more, this conflict could have ended in 10 days had we just knocked out the dams/dikes and flooded the area. North Vietnam did not have any anti aircraft in the area but got wise placed them in the area. Overall poor leadership and a failure to execute a set plan.
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Without doubt the leadership was poor especially at the top - like from the president down to the echelons issuing strike orders and rules of engagement. Our reasons for being in Vietnam were far more complex than most people acknowledge; the French and their quest to recolonize and keeping France out of the communist bloc figured into the equation early on. Somehow France is always involved when things go bad. The decision on the dams and dykes was probably right even though it would have had a major impact. Since 1977, destroying dams and dykes is prohibited by the Geneva Convention. However, not blocking the N Vietnamese harbors, not destroying railways from China, and not destroying air defenses until operational and firing missiles or guns was simply stupid policy and it originated in the WH and with McNamara. That was on top of the fact that Vietnam wasn't the war were were preparing to fight - we are perpetually training and arming to fight the war that isn't the one that pops up.

We backed a wrong horse as far as S Vietnamese leadership, failed at high level to understand S Vietnamese government corruption, failed to understand Vietnamese culture with regard to homes and ancestors when trying to relocate rural inhabitants, etc - all fed into the Viet Cong's hands. We respected (officially) Cambodian and Laotian neutrality and provided sanctuary to N Vietnamese troops and Viet Cong. Worst probably was we were never prepared to fight insurgents in their own element and on their terms. You simply can't win that way. Given any chance at all, an insurgent base like the Viet Cong on friendly territory will always be tough to impossible to beat - like stopping fires by putting out fires while not being able to stop the fire bugs starting new ones.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
World peace? You mean when Trump pulled us out of Syria? Or his talks with NK and his fascinating with Kim? 🤭🤭 They tested a week later. Trump was also incompetent in his trade negotiations with China, treating it like a real estate deal.

Both economically and militarily, you must have no understanding of the lagging effect of policy positions. As old as you are, your opinions seem immature on policy matters. Inherently reactionary would be more accurate
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I'm going to reply here so I can remember to tear this apart when I get on my computer...
 
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AM64 said:
Without doubt the leadership was poor especially at the top - like from the president down to the echelons issuing strike orders and rules of engagement. Our reasons for being in Vietnam were far more complex than most people acknowledge; the French and their quest to recolonize and keeping France out of the communist bloc figured into the equation early on. Somehow France is always involved when things go bad. The decision on the dams and dykes was probably right even though it would have had a major impact. Since 1977, destroying dams and dykes is prohibited by the Geneva Convention. However, not blocking the N Vietnamese harbors, not destroying railways from China, and not destroying air defenses until operational and firing missiles or guns was simply stupid policy and it originated in the WH and with McNamara. That was on top of the fact that Vietnam wasn't the war were were preparing to fight - we are perpetually training and arming to fight the war that isn't the one that pops up.

We backed a wrong horse as far as S Vietnamese leadership, failed at high level to understand S Vietnamese government corruption, failed to understand Vietnamese culture with regard to homes and ancestors when trying to relocate rural inhabitants, etc - all fed into the Viet Cong's hands. We respected (officially) Cambodian and Laotian neutrality and provided sanctuary to N Vietnamese troops and Viet Cong. Worst probably was we were never prepared to fight insurgents in their own element and on their terms. You simply can't win that way. Given any chance at all, an insurgent base like the Viet Cong on friendly territory will always be tough to impossible to beat - like stopping fires by putting out fires while not being able to stop the fire bugs starting new ones.
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Great Detailed Country Boy understandable analysis. Spot on. Guerilla Warfare as described in the book "The Art of War" was totally unexpected by our leadership, but could have been defeated in a brutal way. The Military forces would have had to put up concentration camps and shoot anything outside the boundary lines to combat. This tactic would have been a totally unacceptable solution, but it would have ended the conflict much sooner. As for the French, well they are the French. Lovers not fighters. Nixon ended this thing with the bombing campaign if you want to call it an end instead of a retreat. It did finally produce a method to achieve a Combined Armed Force with stronger leadership and the development of a set of tactics than resulted in a Combined Armed Forces type approach to war and conflicts.
 
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AM64 said:
So let's force every candidate to make a list of campaign promises and then hold him/her to it. Default on any, and out you go ... BTW it still counts as a default on a pledge if congress says you can't have the money to do it or you can't reallocate the funds. And BTW where did joe get the money to pay off student loans??? Seems like that's a bit more than what was projected to build a border wall when congress (at least the left side) went ballistic.
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Wow. Your tribal tendencies of whataboutism can neither deflect not rationalize away from Trump. You know damn well he's a con man and grifter. His economic approach could only achieve high standards short term. Yes, he looked great sitting upon a house of cards for a couple of years. Economic fallout is most always a lagging indicator. Ask the automotive executives how Trump worked out......Damn, let's move on from this BS
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
World peace? You mean when Trump pulled us out of Syria? Or his talks with NK and his fascinating with Kim? 🤭🤭 They tested a week later. Trump was also incompetent in his trade negotiations with China, treating it like a real estate deal.

Both economically and militarily, you must have no understanding of the lagging effect of policy positions. As old as you are, your opinions seem immature on policy matters. Inherently reactionary would be more accurate
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Now that I have the time, Biscuit...

You have a problem with Trump attempting to pull us out of Syria? A place with an ongoing civil war where we had a 50% chance of being on the wrong side and, most importantly, did not affect us at all? Furthermore, did you support the military that straight up violated US law by keeping soldiers in Syria after the sitting President ordered them out?

Yep, that's exactly what happened in case you forgot or just ignored it. The military (both civilian and uniformed members alike) ignored their Commander in Chief after he gave a lawful order to leave Syria. He didn't order them to strike at civilians or use nuclear weapons as a first strike. He ordered them out and away from that conflict zone.

Yet, they ignored him and kept our people in harm's way. The violators deserved to be criminally charged and tried for it. Yet, they got applauded for standing up to Trump. Now, if you are one of the ones that cheer on a military that ignores orders to withdraw from a conflict, that's on you. But that's just one step away from something you really don't want. And that's a military that decides they get to pick and choose what rules they follow.

You really don't want that, biscuit. Because that leads to a real dark place. Wake the **** up.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
He was elected in opposition of a career con man, grifter and self serving narcissist
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Couldn’t the same be said for Trump being elected? Except Hillary being a career con woman, grifter and self self serving narcissist. Not much difference between the two when you break down that way. No need to mention Biden, just add documented racist to his resume.
 
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