To Protect and to Serve II

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tim said:
Just like Ras, you add facts that are not included in the article.
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I’m not talking about the article, long time gun collectors are being targeted because they buy some very expensive guns and perhaps a few cheap ones. The ATF will go after them because they buy the cheap ones. The ATF is assuming those guns will be sold strawman. They use that assumption to dig into personal financial information.
You want your financials invaded because of a gov assumption? I certainly don’t. As long as I’m buying guns legally and keeping them legally the atf has no business in my life and should not have access to my financial records.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I’m not talking about the article, long time gun collectors are being targeted because they buy some very expensive guns and perhaps a few cheap ones. The ATF will go after them because they buy the cheap ones. The ATF is assuming those guns will be sold strawman. They use that assumption to dig into personal financial information.
You want your financials invaded because of a gov assumption? I certainly don’t. As long as I’m buying guns legally and keeping them legally the atf has no business in my life and should not have access to my financial records.
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link?
 
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tim said:
I don’t think you understand how investigations work. I agree with some of your arguments, some are shaded to depict the officer in the worst possible light and lack facts, you actually just changed the facts in this one. This argument is dumb and you come off as a loon by jumping up and down when there is nothing to jump up and down about.
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WTF are you talking about? And you still didn't justify how getting financial records without a warrant is justifies for straw purchases or a murder case or an act of terrorism or ANY other reason. The 4th Amendment is pretty clear. Do they teach the 4th Amendment in police academy?
 
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tim said:
I don’t think you understand how investigations work. I agree with some of your arguments, some are shaded to depict the officer in the worst possible light and lack facts, you actually just changed the facts in this one. This argument is dumb and you come off as a loon by jumping up and down when there is nothing to jump up and down about.
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From the article... where am I changing the facts?

In one of the documents, an ATF agent emailed the FBI that a person suspected of straw purchasing or firearms trafficking needed to be put into the gun background check database. The agent wrote that “per TWC,” the man’s “reported wage earnings with the State of Texas do not appear to supply the financial means to afford the firearms purchased.”
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So some random federal bureaucrat can pull your financial records based on gun purchases? And you justify and defend this?
 
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In one of the documents, an ATF agent emailed the FBI that a person suspected of straw purchasing or firearms trafficking needed to be put into the gun background check database. The agent wrote that “per TWC,” the man’s “reported wage earnings with the State of Texas do not appear to supply the financial means to afford the firearms purchased.”
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I see people all the time that look like they can't afford their home or car they drive. Is that soon going to be worthy of a warrantless search of their finances?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
ATF Gains Financial Information On Potential Gun Buyers For Warrantless Tracking, Documents Show
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF are you talking about? And you still didn't justify how getting financial records without a warrant is justifies for straw purchases or a murder case or an act of terrorism or ANY other reason. The 4th Amendment is pretty clear. Do they teach the 4th Amendment in police academy?
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Dude, are they trading chickens for the guns? Don’t continue to make a dumb take even dumber.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
From the article... where am I changing the facts?

The article didn’t say bank records, it said the state of Texas.

So some random federal bureaucrat can pull your financial records based on gun purchases? And you justify and defend this?
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Wage records that show extremely low income for a person purchasing an abnormal amount of firearms is a good indicator. It’s not probable cause, however If I had to guess, some of the guns the straw buyer purchased have ended up involved in a crime and ran through E-Trace which put the straw purchaser on investigators radar and an investigation ensued. I applaud this, this is how it’s supposed to work.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I see people all the time that look like they can't afford their home or car they drive. Is that soon going to be worthy of a warrantless search of their finances?
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Y’all keep talking about warrantless searches…. Banking institutions require warrants, sans a SAR report, government agencies don’t necessarily. Tax returns are a different animal, but wage records are not banking records.
 
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#RedStateJustice
#BlueLivesMatter
#ThankYouForYourService

So to be clear, if you want to cut your son's balls off or cut your daughter's tits off, that would be perfectly fine, right?

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
#RedStateJustice
#BlueLivesMatter
#ThankYouForYourService

So to be clear, if you want to cut your son's balls off or cut your daughter's tits off, that would be perfectly fine, right?

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What’s the full story behind this? Ex wife with custody press charges? Who complained to the police?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
#RedStateJustice
#BlueLivesMatter
#ThankYouForYourService

So to be clear, if you want to cut your son's balls off or cut your daughter's tits off, that would be perfectly fine, right?

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Ok there is more to it and if this is true the guy deserved to be arrested just like any parent forcing a kid to have their dick or tits cut off.

In the press release, TPD says on April 20, a Springdale Police School Resource Officer reached out to them concerning the welfare of a male Tontitown student. According to the release, the resource officer told TPD that the student went to school with his left ear pierced and shared with his classmates that his dad was drunk, put him in a chokehold, and shoved the piercing in his ear.
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Local police responds to viral video | 5newsonline.com
 
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hog88 said:
In the press release, TPD says on April 20, a Springdale Police School Resource Officer reached out to them concerning the welfare of a male Tontitown student. According to the release, the resource officer told TPD that the student went to school with his left ear pierced and shared with his classmates that his dad was drunk, put him in a chokehold, and shoved the piercing in his ear.
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Hey genius, that sounds like abuse or assault. Yet what was he charged with?

Sherland is being charged with endangering the welfare of a minor, refusal to submit arrest and obstructing governmetnal operations.
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And listen to the video. They initially were arresting him for body art without a license.
 
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TPD says they went to the student's home to speak with the father, identified as Jeremy Sherland. According to the release, TPD explained to Sherland the reason officers were there and Sherland admitted to piercing his son's ear. TPD says they tried to investigate more but Sherland refused to let them speak to his son and to answer further questions. TPD says they left without incident after this.
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Why would anybody allow their child to speak to the police without a lawyer present?

I swear, some of you copslobbers will defend cops even when they are in clearly in the wrong. Have any of you clowns heard of the 5th Amendment?
 
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