Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
I don't see a problem at all. I see a solution.
Again there is plenty of room for compromise and negotiation. (Once the children and fools are ready)
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again, you are proposing a system where the person pulling the trigger doesn't know if the gun will go off or not. That is a terribly unsafe idea. you are literally asking for the Alex Baldwin shooting on Rust to be the LAW, not a terrible accident.

This is why you should have some basic functioning understanding of how guns actually work, and what gun safety actually means. you are wanting to make guns less safe so that they shoot slower than guns that existed during the American Revolution.
 
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Tman44 said:
That may be the most unintelligent thing I have ever read. That was not just stupid; however, so stupid on multiple levels. All I can say is bless your heart.
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Still to complicated for you?

I tried to break it down as much as I could.
 
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LouderVol said:
again, you are proposing a system where the person pulling the trigger doesn't know if the gun will go off or not. That is a terribly unsafe idea. you are literally asking for the Alex Baldwin shooting on Rust to be the LAW, not a terrible accident.

This is why you should have some basic functioning understanding of how guns actually work, and what gun safety actually means. you are wanting to make guns less safe so that they shoot slower than guns that existed during the American Revolution.
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No I'm not. I'm proposing a system where the trigger can only be pulled every 3 seconds. (or whatever was agreed upon)
 
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luthervol said:
Refusing to negotiate will cost you more than a willingness to negotiate.
It's like if an employer calls in an employee and says "we are going to have to let you go, but we would be happy to negotiate some sort of severance, or you can refuse to negotiate and you will simply be fired with no severance - it's up to you, but know we are trying to be rational and reasonable."

Or if one country is obviously on the verge of defeating another and they say "we will gladly sit down and negotiate an end, or you can refuse to negotiate and we will take it all."
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yeah except the thing you are trying to take away, lets be real no negotiation from you guys, was included as a "shall not be infringed upon" clause to our government. you aren't firing the janitor here, you are firing one of the guys responsible for the formation and continued success of the company. All to make the new employees who bring relatively little to the table feel more comfortable in their work space. those same new employees who don't understand how important that one employee you want to fire is.
 
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luthervol said:
Far more regulated than automobiles????? Are you nuts?
I would be happy to see a system where people had to bring their guns in annually to be tested and re-certified.
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unless the car is new enough, or old enough, or only USED on private property. I believe there are even hardship exceptions. You can legally transport a not road legal vehicle on public roads.

and then the whole thing of the Constitution.
 
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luthervol said:
No I'm not. I'm proposing a system where the trigger can only be pulled every 3 seconds. (or whatever was agreed upon)
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but the gun is loaded, and not currently on safe? All ready to shoot, you just don't know if its 3 Mississippi from a Yankee, or 3 Mississippi from a real southerner.

there is no way in hades you could ever convince me as the end user, and responsible gun owner, that some type of time delay on the trigger is a safe weapon I should use. Like if that suddenly happened on my gun, I would IMMEDIATELY not use it and take it to a professional to fix.

Its like saying there should be a 3 second delay on the gas pedal. you are completely ignoring all the times the gas pedal is one of those things keeping people safe.
 
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I was thinking about the time delay trigger idea, and had a realization. It would be illegal and give everyone a machine gun.

I am about 90% its illegal to have any mechanical device that alters the trigger workings. any mechanical delay device would require some type of mechanized trigger reset when it was "ready" to fire, which I am pretty sure a mechanical reset is illegal. that mechanized trigger reset could break/not function 100% and easily turn a rifle in a machine gun/bump stock.

so not only would you not know when you were going to be able to shoot, you also be trusting that complicated device to work properly so that you also are not sure about how you are shooting.

There is a reason in engineering/mechanizing/guns K.I.S.S. is a rule. Keep it simple, stupid. Luther wants to give us all machine guns, maybe we should let him make up some more rules.
 
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LouderVol said:
Its like saying there should be a 3 second delay on the gas pedal. you are completely ignoring all the times the gas pedal is one of those things keeping people safe.
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With turns and rate of speed being contributors to automobile accidents, I propose that cars should only be allowed to make x number of turns in y minutes, and that speed tops out at the given speed limit for any given roadway.

if there is an emergency and you need to get to a hospital, etc, tough $#!+.
 
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LouderVol said:
but the gun is loaded, and not currently on safe? All ready to shoot, you just don't know if its 3 Mississippi from a Yankee, or 3 Mississippi from a real southerner.

there is no way in hades you could ever convince me as the end user, and responsible gun owner, that some type of time delay on the trigger is a safe weapon I should use. Like if that suddenly happened on my gun, I would IMMEDIATELY not use it and take it to a professional to fix.

Its like saying there should be a 3 second delay on the gas pedal. you are completely ignoring all the times the gas pedal is one of those things keeping people safe.
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It's obvious he has zero knowledge of firearms, or why they are even used. The idea is ludicrous. I was assuming he knew that and was just yanking our chain. Then I realized he was clueless.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
With turns and rate of speed being contributors to automobile accidents, I propose that cars should only be allowed to make x number of turns in y minutes, and that speed tops out at the given speed limit for any given roadway.

if there is an emergency and you need to get to a hospital, etc, tough $#!+.
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Kyle Rittenhouse should have let those guys beat him for 6 seconds before he disarmed the last one.
 
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Zues1 said:
The illegal mass shooter that killed five other illegals in Texas had been deported four times.
Let's go Brandon....
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What does it matter if they are here legally or not? They were still human beings living on earth. Are their lives worth less to you because they aren't American citizens?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
What does it matter if they are here legally or not? They were still human beings living on earth. Are their lives worth less to you because they aren't American citizens?
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Assume much ?
Show me where I said that? Yeah, that's right because I never said or insinuated anything like that.
The point is the killer was here illegally as were the dead. I'm going to bet he's not the only mean ass ombre walking across the open border on a daily basis.. Hell he may not have been the meanest one in the tragedy. We don't know.
What we do know is people are pouring into America and slo Joe and the giggling veep will tell you the border is secure.
 
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Tman44 said:
That makes absolutely no sense at all. Do people normally just throw their money away? Firearms lose value after purchase, especially in the short term. Buying guns legally to resell them is a great way to go broke.
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I buy cars new in upstate New York, resell them down in Texas. Making a killing.
 
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C-south said:
You’ll never guess the description of the shooters.
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luthervol said:
Another non-thinker.
Let me make it easier to understand.

A group of 17 year olds stand outside a convenience store until they find someone willing to go in and buy them a 12 pack if they give them $20.

I'll even do the math for you.
6-pack cost $15
Kids pay $20
The legal purchaser make $5
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Except the alcohol isn’t tied to the homeless guys name who purchased it the way a gun is
 
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luthervol said:
Not getting in this same loop again.
You know my stance - the SC has already and repeatedly ruled that you can have regulations and restrictions that are not infringements.
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And if/when the National Firearms Act is rightly ruled unconstitutional? Then what will your argument be?
 
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