Gun control debate (merged)

[C-south]

'Murica, b*tches! Just like old George W. intended

Bet I can identify the shooter.

 

[85SugarVol]

@luthervol

What are handguns designed to do?

 

[luthervol]

According to what I see here: target shooting, collecting, shooting moles in the yard, and personal and home security.

Again, you're not claiming that the primary intent and purpose of all guns is to kill people are you? I would assume they are designed to fulfill their primary purpose and function.

@luthervol

What are handguns designed to do?

There you go.

 

[85SugarVol]

There you go.

That’s a non answer.

Let’s just stick to handguns. Are they designed to kill?

I’ll even boil it down further. The Secret Service carries handguns in their protection duties. What are those handguns designed to do.

 

[luthervol]

That’s a non answer.

Let’s just stick to handguns. Are they designed to kill?

Guns don't kill people, people do. How can an inanimate object be designed to kill? Did I get it right?
So no they are not designed to kill. They are designed to be used to kill.

 

[85SugarVol]

Guns don't kill people, people do. How can an inanimate object be designed to kill? Did I get it right?
So no they are not designed to kill. They are designed to be used to kill.

You said Guns designed to kill people should be banned.

Let’s try again.

The US Marine Corps issues a standard sidearm (that’s a handgun). What is that handgun designed to do?

 

[NCFisher]

I love heartwarming stories.
But he'd never get his gun out in time the next time....

 

[volinbham]

'Murica, b*tches! Just like old George W. intended

a year ago

 

[luthervol]

You said Guns designed to kill people should be banned.

Let’s try again.

The US Marine Corps issues a standard sidearm (that’s a handgun). What is that handgun designed to do?

Well that's not what I said, what I actually said was; "If a gun was designed specifically to kill PEOPLE, ban it."

I would assume guns designed for the military are designed specifically to kill people.

 

[85SugarVol]

Well that's not what I said, what I actually said was; "If a gun was designed specifically to kill PEOPLE, ban it."

I would assume guns designed for the military are designed specifically to kill people.

I’m sorry for misquoting you. Yes, you said “if”.

So the standard issue sidearm for the USMC would be a weapon of war, designed to kill, and should be banned for everyday civilian ownership?

 

[Vol8188]

My positions aren't related to assault weapons, I guess you have me confused with someone else, my two main recommendations have been x rounds in y time, and x purchases in y time - neither directly tied to assault weapons. Fail

I would. You can post a few more and it will not change the answer.

I do not have an issue with a person having a gun for protection. The gun should not be an assault weapon (AR 15).

Lol where would anyone have ever gotten the idea that Luther wants to ban assault weapons? I mean, other than Luther’s exact words.

 

[Vol8188]

My positions aren't related to assault weapons, I guess you have me confused with someone else, my two main recommendations have been x rounds in y time, and x purchases in y time - neither directly tied to assault weapons. Fail

You ready to admit you just lied to everyone?

 

[Vol8188]

I’m sorry for misquoting you. Yes, you said “if”.

So the standard issue sidearm for the USMC would be a weapon of war, designed to kill, and should be banned for everyday civilian ownership?

If that’s really his standard then he’s wanting to ban all handguns. While also lying and saying he has no problem with you owning a gun for protection and that you should be able to own a handgun

 

[volfanhill]

If that’s really his standard then he’s wanting to ban all handguns. While also lying and saying he has no problem with you owning a gun for protection and that you should be able to own a handgun

He's a gun grabber. They should never be trusted. They want you to think they are taking an inch. They will take a mile if allowed

 

[kiddiedoc]

This is fun.

Ban all semi auto weapons and revolvers, you know: x shots in y seconds and all. (That's about 80-90% of all firearms sold, you know). Then we are left with the muskets, bolt action rifles, lever action rifles, and pump shotguns that were never designed to kill people, when needed (unless you know anything about military history).

Really best to just end this lame discussion, y'all.

 

[VOLS INC.]

This is fun.

Ban all semi auto weapons and revolvers, you know: x shots in y seconds and all. (That's about 80-90% of all firearms sold, you know). Then we are left with the muskets, bolt action rifles, lever action rifles, and pump shotguns that were never designed to kill people, when needed (unless you know anything about military history).

Really best to just end this lame discussion, y'all.

I actually didn’t know guns were even capable of killing someone. I use my handgun as a paper weight. Sometimes as a doorstop. I use the shotgun as a pool stick. Sometimes I use it to knock down cobwebs or unclog the toilet.

You learn something new everyday.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Crap, pump shotguns are out, too. I forgot about "x" projectiles. Even with 00 buck, I can still throw around 72 projectiles per 8-10 seconds with a full tube. That's like 6-7 per second! Definitely should be banned.

Muskets it is.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Restrictions do not always = infringements

It's time for you guys to accept what has been decided multiple times by the USSC.

Wrong

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’m sorry for misquoting you. Yes, you said “if”.

So the standard issue sidearm for the USMC would be a weapon of war, designed to kill, and should be banned for everyday civilian ownership?

Yes loother thinks people should have no defense against a tyrannical government. The government knows best and they can’t impose their will on an armed population so guns gotta go.
Therefore only government people get “weapons of war”

 

[Orangeslice13]

Lol where would anyone have ever gotten the idea that Luther wants to ban assault weapons? I mean, other than Luther’s exact words.

The absolute stupidity of saying you can’t have an “assault weapon “ to defend yourself against someone who likely is illegally using an “assault weapon “
It’s just moronic
No effort to restrict the illegal access to them. Just continue to remove them from law abiding citizens. It’s like the moronic individual actually knows the laws don’t work against criminals because that’s not the actual agenda.

 

[luthervol]

I’m sorry for misquoting you. Yes, you said “if”.

So the standard issue sidearm for the USMC would be a weapon of war, designed to kill, and should be banned for everyday civilian ownership?

I would think that a reasonable argument could be made for uses other than killing people, so probably not banned.
My quote that you went back and found is from five and a half years ago. I don't remember the context of the quote. I think I said yesterday that I was operating under the misunderstanding that AR 15s were automatic (fully) weapons. If that was my basis, then I stand by it. Fully automatic should be banned. If I was not operating under that incorrect assumption, then it is an instance where I would have changed my mind over a 5 and a half year period. (I know, that would be a first in a gun thread)

And "if" is not the key word you missed. The key word you left off was "specifically".
I somehow believe you knew that.

 

[luthervol]

Lol where would anyone have ever gotten the idea that Luther wants to ban assault weapons? I mean, other than Luther’s exact words.

As I just stated. That's from 5 and a half years ago. Assault was synonymous with fully automatic in my mind.
And I do still believe fully automatic weapons should be banned.
I didn't change my stance, I just improved my gun related vocabulary.

 

[luthervol]

You ready to admit you just lied to everyone?


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Nope. See the post a couple above this one.
Good try though. The fact that you guys will go back five and a half years through hundreds of my post is flattering.

Check the date on the quote that you posted.........lol
Can you say "obsessed"?

 

[VOLS INC.]

As I just stated. That's from 5 and a half years ago. Assault was synonymous with fully automatic in my mind.
And I do still believe fully automatic weapons should be banned.
I didn't change my stance, I just improved my gun related vocabulary.

Where did you pick up such an idea?

Perhaps you were brainwashed by the MSM and the DNC to believe things that aren’t true. Perhaps this example is just the tip of the iceberg.

That’s what we are here for Luther. To offer a counter perspective in hopes that you think deeper and realize you’ve been programmed to believe certain things that aren’t true.

 

[85SugarVol]

I would think that a reasonable argument could be made for uses other than killing people, so probably not banned.
My quote that you went back and found is from five and a half years ago. I don't remember the context of the quote. I think I said yesterday that I was operating under the misunderstanding that AR 15s were automatic (fully) weapons. If that was my basis, then I stand by it. Fully automatic should be banned. If I was not operating under that incorrect assumption, then it is an instance where I would have changed my mind over a 5 and a half year period. (I know, that would be a first in a gun thread)

And "if" is not the key word you missed. The key word you left off was "specifically".
I somehow believe you knew that.

Specifically. If. Inconsequential.

I would assume guns designed for the military are designed specifically to kill people.

This is it. Chosen for multiple reasons. But I imagine lethality was a key selection criteria.