Gun control debate (merged)

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#26,577
LouderVol said:
except that nothing you propose is actually an improvement. you have admitted this multiple times "at least we are trying something". Doing something for the sake of doing something is NOT an improvement.

Hiding from the reality of the problem is not an improvement.
hiding from the reality of the problems created by the proposed solutions is not an improvement.
Doubling down on what has already failed is not an improvement.
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Whoever said do something simply for the sake of doing something? Certainly not me.
Whoever said hide from the reality of the problem? Certainly not me.
Whoever said hide from the reality of the problems created by the proposed solution? Certainly not me.
Whoever said double down on what has already failed? Certainly not me.

Your perception doesn't align with reality very well.
 
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Should we make more laws to prevent murder? What about rape? Should we make more laws that stop the president from taking kickback money from foreign governments like China?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Should we make more laws to prevent murder? What about rape? Should we make more laws that stop the president from taking kickback money from foreign governments like China?
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We should absolutely pass laws making it illegal for women to dress provocatively. That just leads to criminal activity by rapists.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Should we make more laws to prevent murder? What about rape? Should we make more laws that stop the president from taking kickback money from foreign governments like China?
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Absolutely.......if there are rational and reasonable laws that would reduce those numbers....(but I can't think of any)
But on the other hand, with concerns of the ease in which guns make their way into the hands of those who should not have them, there are plenty of rational and reasonable regulations that would reduce that ease.
 
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luthervol said:
Absolutely.......if there are rational and reasonable laws that would reduce those numbers....(but I can't think of any)
But on the other hand, with concerns of the ease in which guns make their way into the hands of those who should not have them, there are plenty of rational and reasonable regulations that would reduce that ease.
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No there isn't.
 
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luthervol said:
Absolutely.......if there are rational and reasonable laws that would reduce those numbers....(but I can't think of any)
But on the other hand, with concerns of the ease in which guns make their way into the hands of those who should not have them, there are plenty of rational and reasonable regulations that would reduce that ease.
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So you are for a new law that makes it illegal for trans folks to own or possess firearms? Seems rational and reasonable to me.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not, because that seems neither rational nor reasonable.
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Why? If those laws would have been there and enforced the last several mass shootings wouldn't have occurred. Unless you're ok with children being murdered. Seems pretty rational and reasonable.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Why? If those laws would have been there and enforced the last several mass shootings wouldn't have occurred. Unless you're ok with children being murdered. Seems pretty rational and reasonable.
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Your posts are bordering the line of being to stupid to warrant a response.

But I'm at least glad to see you admitting that laws could/would lessen the number of mass shootings.
Progress
Baby steps
 
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hog88 said:
That is an infringement plus would accomplish nothing which means it doesn't fit the definition of either rational or reasonable.

Try again.
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It's not an infringement and it would accomplish plenty; thus, both rational and reasonable.
 
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luthervol said:
Your posts are bordering the line of being to stupid to warrant a response.

But I'm at least glad to see you admitting that laws could/would lessen the number of mass shootings.
Progress
Baby steps
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But you're against laws they would have directly saved children's lives. It's your logic, not mine.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
But you're against laws they would have directly saved children's lives. It's your logic, not mine.
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I'm against a lot of laws that would directly save a child's life. Because they are neither rational nor reasonable.
My logic.....evidently not yours.
 
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hog88 said:
It is an infringement, arguing otherwise is asinine and please explain how limiting the number of weapons a person can purchase over a period of time would reduce gun violence.
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It's not an infringement on anyone's right to keep or bear arms. Period. Absolute fact! To state otherwise is utter stupidity.

It would reduce the number of guns making their way into the hands of criminals and others who cannot legally purchase.
 
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luthervol said:
Whoever said do something simply for the sake of doing something? Certainly not me.
Whoever said hide from the reality of the problem? Certainly not me.
Whoever said hide from the reality of the problems created by the proposed solution? Certainly not me.
Whoever said double down on what has already failed? Certainly not me.

Your perception doesn't align with reality very well.
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There you go twisting my words again.

I never said "you said to do" those things, I just said that you do them.

you constantly justify the various new gun laws as "at least they are doing something" when it gets pointed out the new laws either miss the problem, or have proven to be ineffective in the past.

hiding from the problem. "Assault weapons" aren't the problem. they kill 1/20th as many as handguns, and I like 1/100th of all gun deaths. You keep going back to their potential to cause harm. Their POTENTIAL is not the problem we have. We are dealing with the realities of deaths. you also hide from gun deaths being outside the top 10 leading cause of deaths in the nation, with most of the ones above it being even more preventable than gun deaths.

you are hiding from the racism of your proposed gun laws. Or at best you are downplaying it/accepting it; and not even attempting to find a method that would avoid racist outcomes. I am not sure if you align with LG on the stolen gun punishment thing, but making the victims of a crime, guilty of a crime is bound to have pretty severe repercussions. and at the very least I haven't seen you push back against the idea.

you say constantly to double down. Gun laws aren't working. what's your solution? more gun laws. back ground checks already exist, you want them to be more/better. Wait periods exist, you want them to be longer. tax stamps exist for a host of number of items, and you think the ATF should just be able to change the rules around those tax stamps at will with no input from the legislature. this also circles back to the first point of "just doing something".
 
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