Gun control debate (merged)

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WoodsmanVol said:
What can I say, I exceed expectations. It's sort of a goal of mine. Wanna see it again? :cool:
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I'm sure you probably can. I have a tough time imagining someone that tries to appear as serious about topics as you seem to wanting to be such a dumbass all the time.
 
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luthervol said:
You're question makes no sense. White cars are the safest precisely because they are easy to see.
I don't believe anyone believes that how easy a car is to see is the only factor in how likely the car is to be involved in an accident.
It's just one of many factors.
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But there are still an awfully lot of white cars in accidents. If you really want to know why, it is because it is the most popular color of automobile in the U.S.

The AR platform is probably the most popular semi auto platform for the past few decades, so naturally it will be used in some shootings. Despite all the nonsense that you and others have posted, it shoots the same rate as other SA weapons, is not an "assault rifle," and fires a round significantly less destructive than many other rifles. As has also been detailed, handguns account for far more deaths than rifles, are more concealable, and are capable of holding as many rounds and being fired at the same rate.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
But there are still an awfully lot of white cars in accidents. If you really want to know why, it is because it is the most popular color of automobile in the U.S.

The AR platform is probably the most popular semi auto platform for the past few decades, so naturally it will be used in some shootings. Despite all the nonsense that you and others have posted, it shoots the same rate as other SA weapons, is not an "assault rifle," and fires a round significantly less destructive than many other rifles. As has also been detailed, handguns account for far more deaths than rifles, are more concealable, and are capable of holding as many rounds and being fired at the same rate.
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I think your intended point may backfire. Do you know why red cars have a much higher rate of being involved in accidents than do white cars even though they are two of the easiest colors of cars to see?
 
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Vol8188 said:
The states with the strongest gun laws have no difference in homicide rates than those with the loosest gun laws. There’s no actual correlation between gun laws and homicide rates on a state level.

But since you want to virtue signal, tell us. What law would’ve prevented this?
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Well let's start with a red flag law. As I recall the parents of the TN shooter knew she had a gun which they made her sell (I believe) so they clearly knew that their child had no business owning a gun. If TN had a red flag law and they had contacted the authorities she would not have been able to purchase the others. My point is that we cannot as a society just continue to do nothing.
 
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luthervol said:
I think your intended point may backfire. Do you know why red cars have a much higher rate of being involved in accidents than do white cars even though they are two of the easiest colors of cars to see?
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except that AR15s are the white car, not the red car.

unless you are really really going warp this whole car analogy.
 
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luthervol said:
I think your intended point may backfire. Do you know why red cars have a much higher rate of being involved in accidents than do white cars even though they are two of the easiest colors of cars to see?
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It actually will not, because ARs are used much less often than other firearms in gun crimes, despite them looking scary to you.
 
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LouderVol said:
except that AR15s are the white car, not the red car.

unless you are really really going warp this whole car analogy.
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Exactly. The only reason you hear about them is because they are very popular and they look scary, so when one is (occasionally) used, they become labeled as something they, quite simply, are not.
 
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Noni said:
Well let's start with a red flag law. As I recall the parents of the TN shooter knew she had a gun which they made her sell (I believe) so they clearly knew that their child had no business owning a gun. If TN had a red flag law and they had contacted the authorities she would not have been able to purchase the others. My point is that we cannot as a society just continue to do nothing.
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Why would she have not been able to purchase a gun exactly? Because her parents didn’t want her to have one?

That’s not how red flag laws work.

We didn’t “do nothing”. We passed a law in this state increasing the number of armed guards within schools. Where do you get the idea that we “do nothing?
 
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Noni said:
Well let's start with a red flag law. As I recall the parents of the TN shooter knew she had a gun which they made her sell (I believe) so they clearly knew that their child had no business owning a gun. If TN had a red flag law and they had contacted the authorities she would not have been able to purchase the others. My point is that we cannot as a society just continue to do nothing.
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The problem with Red Flag laws is they are easily abused to settle personal scores. Plus the Nashville shooter was an adult, they couldn't make her do anything.
 
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Noni said:
Well let's start with a red flag law. As I recall the parents of the TN shooter knew she had a gun which they made her sell (I believe) so they clearly knew that their child had no business owning a gun. If TN had a red flag law and they had contacted the authorities she would not have been able to purchase the others. My point is that we cannot as a society just continue to do nothing.
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how long does the flag last?
does a record of one (assuming it ends) stay on your permanent record?
Who gets to call one in?
If you get flagged do you get to know who did it?
Can the person challenge in a court?
what happens if its a bad flag?
what happens when a lady is in an abusive relationship, her abusive husband red flags her so her gun is taken away, so he can continue beating her?
what happens when serving these red flags leads to more cop shootings than shootings it stops? I would be willing to bet this lady wouldn't have given up her guns willingly.
what happens when the cops go after the wrong person/address in a red flag case?
what happens when red flagging turns into another "Swatting"?
Does it count as a criminal offense?
Is it a matter of public record?
Can businesses, schools, use a flag, current or past, as justification to deny you admission, sale, or entry?

the issue with pretty much any anti-2A argument is there are way too many unanswered questions that just fall under "trust us". and typically they go after more than one right. In this case this person is losing their rights without a day in court, or the right to know their accuser. and there is NEVER any protections offered to the target of these gun laws that says things will be made better WHEN the government gets it wrong.
 
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luthervol said:
I think we all know that it is the type of crime they are most commonly used in that is the issue.
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Also not true. Most mass shootings are gang related and occur with handguns.

And we can prove that really easy. In your mind there’s hundreds of these things each year. Yet there’s only around 300 total rifle deaths each year.

How do you explain that if these are mostly done with ARs?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Also not true. Most mass shootings are gang related and occur with handguns.

And we can prove that really easy. In your mind there’s hundreds of these things each year. Yet there’s only around 300 total rifle deaths each year.

How do you explain that if these are mostly done with ARs?
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What type of crimes are AR15s most commonly used in?
We can take that approach if it's easier for you.
 
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luthervol said:
What type of crimes are AR15s most commonly used in?
We can take that approach if it's easier for you.
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That’s an odd way of looking at it. How many different crimes than murder do you even think a rifle could be used in? I can’t really commit fraud with an AR
 
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If my math is correct, approximately 1 in every 1,700,000 AR15s in the US have been used in a mass shooting.
 
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