War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

You know uranium is a natural element and depleted uranium is naturally occurring uranium with the more fissile isotopes removed for nuclear fuel? Is it safe as mother's milk? Absolutely not, but neither is anything else fired at your body. You know the big thing about uranium is density; in a projectile it packs a real mean wallop - a whole lot of mass in a small package.

It represents a clear environmental escalation at the very least. It has been shown to damage the land for decades (see Serbia and Iraq).

Don't invade another country and they won't shoot lead or depleted uranium at you; it's pretty simple really. I haven't heard sufficient outrage over Chinese mining and lack of environmental care to produce EVs and feed cell phones either - guess it's just a matter of "priorities".

So the very people that Zelensky and NATO are claiming to "liberate" are now also going to be subjected to their land being poisoned with depleted uranium? That makes no sense.

This is simply 2 things:
1. The US realizing they are losing
2. If they can't have Ukraine, then they will ruin it for Russia (no different than the philosophy of bombing Taiwan's chip factories if China invades).

BTW, I'd take depleted uranium shells over a dirty bomb ... and definitely over a nuke.

Depleted uranium is one more click on the ratchet and it allows the use of other more escalatory weapons to be used later on. Keep in mind, the US was adamant early on last year about not giving Patriot missiles, tanks and planes.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And the Middle East is always all about that "mostly peaceful" Islamic religion ironically.

Islam (outside of the KSA funded Wahhabist terrorism that the West has sponsored) is no more violent than Christianity in The West.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you're saying Russia is the gang who can't shoot straight? And you expect them to win a war they created?

1. They are clearly winning
2. They didn't start this war

 

[KB5252]

So? Look at the map and count the casualties.

Ok, but let's count them for both sides. Russia's invasion force has been all but decimated. They've had to reinforce reinforcements. They've all but used up the Wagner mercenaries. They're raising our attempting to raise multiple private armies as we speak.

The invasion force is bogged down, their gains appear to be stalled or in flux. In fact they are digging in defensive positions as we speak. Bringing up reserve antiques from mothballs to supplement their losses. Again, as others have pointed out the signs on the ground do not point to a healthy fighting force or situation right now.

All we heard was wait until the 300,000 were mobilized. We saw some units mobilized almost immediately last year. In fact since that mobilization we've seen Ukraine take some territory back. And the battle for Bakhmut has been a slugfest. Again all this is after mobilization. Things aren't looking great for the Russian offensive, Ukraine has the tactical advantage, Russia has the advantage in numbers, but so far Ukraine has been able to close that gap tactically.

We will see what the spring brings. The fact we are still taking about this after a year is very surprising to me.

If Russia's goal was to de militarize Ukraine they have failed miserably, Ukraine will be a healthily militarized nation from here out.

 

[AM64]

Drones killing 3-5 soldiers here or there isn't a realistic long term strategy.

Neither are booby traps, but those little drones keep the other guys distracted; they are also eyes in the sky and capable of delivering a more personal message. Sometimes when the other guys think there really is no safe place they become far less effective as a force. Can't focus on one thing when you are looking over your shoulder for another. The advent of balloons changed war years ago; drones are changing it again - only this time they are smaller, harder to spot, and there are lots of them. Defense against them and losses to them are going to be very expensive at least in the short term.

 

[AM64]

The domino theory didn't even apply in 1965, much less now.

The concept was fairly correct, but the domino theory itself was flawed ... the reason for my potato chip (you can't eat just one) theory. C didn't actually fall because it was tipped by B which was toppled when A fell; nevertheless, Laos and Cambodia did fall which was pretty much inevitable when Vietnam went. You could also argue that without strong governments to oppose the communist troops using them as sanctuaries and supply routes, that Laos and Cambodia for all intents had fallen and in the end took Vietnam with them. Thailand was a tougher nut and a different matter.

 

[AM64]

OK.... So?

Sounds like the KSA is coordinating with the Russians on oil production.

I'd tend to say the Saudis aren't coordinating with Russia as much as just being azzhole opportunists as usual. We should have found a way to destroy OPEC years ago - same with any other cartel.

 

[AM64]

Islam (outside of the KSA funded Wahhabist terrorism that the West has sponsored) is no more violent than Christianity in The West.

Yeah, I've kinda noticed that Iran, Iraq, Palestine and a bunch of other places in the region are Islamic pillars of peace. Never any problems with the Islamic factions in the Phillippines and a few other places over in that region either.

 

[AM64]

1. They are clearly winning
2. They didn't start this war

Ukraine drove Russian tanks and led Russian troops across the border? Who knew?

 

[BeardedVol]

The problem is that Crimea and Donbas have been populated by Russia/Soviets for 200+ years.

Brings up Native American, then conveniently leaves out the forced relocation and genocide of the Crimean Tatars; classic.
Deportation of the Crimean Tatar people. History of genocide

 

[Volsdeep4]

The native Americans have entered the chat...

Again, most of you people must have missed history class.

To the victors go the spoils. Land ownership via war is one thing. But to sit there and say well the majority of these people are my ethnicity, so ima claim this territory. Especially when those people don’t want to be part of your country or they would move there.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Again, Palestine...

To use the Middle East as “proving your point” is silly. Has there ever been peace?

 

[Volsdeep4]

Davey Crockett in San Antonio...

You use analogies from hundreds of years ago and think they pertain to todays times.

 

[Volsdeep4]

The problem is that Crimea and Donbas have been populated by Russia/Soviets for 200+ years.

Don’t act like Putin didn’t want crimea cuz of location and that’s it. Since 1991 Russia has only 2 years of no wars. Every other year they have invaded other countries.
Just off top of head. Is Chechnya ethic Russians? No, but Russia didn’t mind invading them what 3 times. Is it to claim their birth right or for popular trade routes?

 

[evillawyer]

Putin doing that master strategist thing

 

[volgr]

To the victors go the spoils. Land ownership via war is one thing. .

Careful, most on your side of this debate wont like that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Careful, most on your side of this debate wont like that.

Have you got your type crossover training yet to the T-54/55 from the T-62/64 Larry? I’d guess it’s simpler than the T-72 crossover training to the T-62/64 since you’re going from one out dated piece of garbage to another

 

[LouderVol]

So? Look at the map and count the casualties.

Ukraine war: Interactive map of the current front line

here is as good of a map as I have found. you have to zoom in to the point where the scale is 10km to see the daily russian progress. even over the last couple months there hasn't been significant movement.

and we post the casualties and you guys just refute with claims of propaganda while you don't provide your own consistent numbers. We went from 100k dead Ukrainians to 250k to over half a million in a few months. but you can't back up those numbers.

you have been claiming there is a major break thru coming at Bakhmut since August and September, here we are and the Russians still cant break through the dredges of the Ukrainian draft militia. Even with your claimed, but unsubstantiated, 500k casualties.

how many casualties will Ukraine have to lose before we see a break thru?

 

[LouderVol]

The problem is that Crimea and Donbas have been populated by Russia/Soviets for 200+ years.

lol. not as a majority. The Russians didn't become the majority in Crimea until the 1960s after they completed their genocide of the locals. They were never the majority in Donbas. 38% Russian vs 58% Ukrainian in Donbas, despite several genocides against the locals.

 

[LouderVol]

Then your enemy is not any foreign power. Your first enemy should be the ones here at home that sold us out.

the people who wanted cheap stuff, and didn't want to work for their way of life. It was your generation that sold us to the government. The enemy isn't some dude in Washington, your enemy is your generation of voters.

 

[LouderVol]

Drones killing 3-5 soldiers here or there isn't a realistic long term strategy.

if it was a single drone a day, sure. But if its a dozen drones a day? thats 20k casualties in a year. you make it hundreds of drones?

Drones are modern artillery. a single drone/artillery piece doesn't do a whole lot. It can help make a difference at a single point, but to the war it doesn't matter much. you gather enough together and you can change a whole battle, before its even fought. you gather even more and you will change the war.

 

[LouderVol]

It represents a clear environmental escalation at the very least. It has been shown to damage the land for decades (see Serbia and Iraq).


So the very people that Zelensky and NATO are claiming to "liberate" are now also going to be subjected to their land being poisoned with depleted uranium? That makes no sense.

This is simply 2 things:
1. The US realizing they are losing
2. If they can't have Ukraine, then they will ruin it for Russia (no different than the philosophy of bombing Taiwan's chip factories if China invades).


Depleted uranium is one more click on the ratchet and it allows the use of other more escalatory weapons to be used later on. Keep in mind, the US was adamant early on last year about not giving Patriot missiles, tanks and planes.

The Russians have their own depleted uranium rounds, I would be willing to bet they have been using them.

to the bolded they weren't giving the Ukrainians that stuff because the Russian's weren't targeting civilians deep behind the line. Russia escalated its tactics, the west responded.

 

[LouderVol]

Islam (outside of the KSA funded Wahhabist terrorism that the West has sponsored) is no more violent than Christianity in The West.

lol, you need to at least look into Indonesia, and the Philippines. you keep pretending that the west was able to create something that didn't exist before, but you ignore the plethora of examples that don't fit your preconceived and naïve assumptions.

 

[LouderVol]

1. They are clearly winning
2. They didn't start this war

they invaded Ukraine. that was the start of this war.

remember the 2014 mess was a bunch of independence seekers, not Russians, fighting the Ukrainians. since 2022 its been Russia fighting Ukrainians.

I love watching you guys bounce back and forth between obvious bs, and you don't even care when you contradict yourself.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Careful, most on your side of this debate wont like that.

I don’t have sides. I just have opinions, sometimes they align with one side and the other. I just try to keep it level headed as I can. trying to learn more about all this.