War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
Ohh boy. Typically an attacker wants roughly a 3:1 advantage if they hope to take an objective. At best, Russia had even numbers going into Mariupol. Early in the war, Ukraine's fighting force was well trained across the board, including Azov. To act like this is isn't true is weird on your part, but I guess you have to try and do that when the facts don't fit your narrative.
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I am glad you moved the goalpost so fast. You went from the Russians being outnumbered, to the Russians not having a 3:1 advantage. and I am going to need you to quote something showing the numbers here, because again, the worst I could find was Russia had a 2:1 advantage.

I am going to need you to source that 3:1 number. I can't think of any modern conflict where an attacker required 3:1 odds to take an objective. Especially when they are fighting a lesser developed military. We didn't outnumber the Iraqis 3:1. we didn't need 3:1 odds in Korean War (and neither did the NK when they nearly pushed us out), WW2, Spanish American War, Mexican American War, 1812, Revolutionary war. Didn't say anything about WW1 because we were so late. Vietnam I am not sure how to track aggressor/defender, but we never had a 3:1 advantage there in any major battle. At our peak in Afghanistan we outnumbered the Taliban, but never got to 2:1, yet alone 3:1. Even if you go outside the US it was the same.

No. they weren't well trained. Ukraine's starting army was 500k, the vast majority were no where close to NATO or Russian standards. The largest total I have been able to find was this article stating that 33k were trained by NATO. but that includes some on specific pieces of equipment, and not the general trooper. Even still that would be less than 10% of the total were well trained.
How NATO members are training Ukraine for spring offensive

You consistently refuse to back up your claims even with media that would back you up. Its very weird. You claim to care only about the truth, but won't ever produce what you are claiming as the truth. You keep it hidden, very strange.
 
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volgr said:
Polls are accurate when they are done by trustworthy polling companies. Does anyone really dispute that Putin's popularity has risen since the war began or that the Russian people have grown in support of the war since it started?
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Uh, I thought you guys were arguing that Putin's support was hurt because he wasn't violent enough in prosecuting the war?

half a million people fleeing the nation, the mass protests, and the continued insurgency deep inside Russia speak to their being plenty of very unhappy people with the war. Its not like its a binary thing, you don't have to 100% support the war, or 100% don't support the war. so that fact that we have had people actively act out in Russia against the war means there are many more who are much more passive with their dislike of the war. who probably still say they support Putin/war even though they don't. especially as not supporting the war leads to jail. something else you won't speak out against.
 
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LouderVol said:
Uh, I thought you guys were arguing that Putin's support was hurt because he wasn't violent enough in prosecuting the war?

half a million people fleeing the nation, the mass protests, and the continued insurgency deep inside Russia speak to their being plenty of very unhappy people with the war. Its not like its a binary thing, you don't have to 100% support the war, or 100% don't support the war. so that fact that we have had people actively act out in Russia against the war means there are many more who are much more passive with their dislike of the war. who probably still say they support Putin/war even though they don't. especially as not supporting the war leads to jail. something else you won't speak out against.
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It's amazing how well the polling is when those are the consequences
 
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AM64 said:
Ceasefires to restock and regroup are trademarks of all the old communist fighting forces. Anyone buying a Russian or Chinese ceasefire is a fool because they are nothing more than a quiet advance under the guise of peace.
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both sides will use a ceasefire to rearm and readjust.
 
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headhunter15 said:
Absolutely. The U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia, and India need to prepare now. Wartime production for equipment, ammunition, & vehicles.
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I see you conveniently omitted India. The Chinese don't necessarily have a good record in the past 50+ years against The Soviets in the late 1960s, Vietnam in the late 1970s or India ever.

Relax
 
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headhunter15 said:
Absolutely. The U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia, and India need to prepare now. Wartime production for equipment, ammunition, & vehicles.
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The only thing you need to worry about with China is them possibly sinking US naval vessels in the Taiwan Straits. Not saying China would win, but it will not be a cake walk for either.

Also, you need to worry about the Chinese giving the crooks and criminals here ideas on lockdowns and social credit system.
 
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