War in Ukraine

[Ttucke11]

Ya know it is possible for Russia to be a hostile adversary, AND Ukraine to be a money-laundering operation for the west. There is a 0% chance this war is purely a fight for sovereignty.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We need a lot more of this. America needs to course correct and stop antagonizing Russia. Also, Zelensky has to go and Ukraine needs a leader who will seek peace with Russia.

This is 3elensky. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point, he meets the same fate.

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[LouderVol]

You people are total clowns. You are being played like fiddles.

At what point will you clowns realize that Ukraine is just a racketeering state for insiders in the west? This has nothing to do with Ukrainian sovereignty because no Ukraine officials were in Ankara discussing the situation with Burns or Naryshkin this week. Ukraine hasn't been sovereign since February 2014...

Lol, another great stretch by you.

Because Ukraine doesnt have nukes.
Why would you involve someone in a conversation that doesnt change anything for them and they cant contribute to the topic at hand.

Should a ukrainian official be involved in every Russian-US exchange? Unbelieveable what you will dig up to be offended over.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well there is one good thing from this missile strike. It appears to have reinvigorated the stooge collective and the gane is afoot again with more of their idiotic claims and stupidity to mock.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm going to now add "Article 5" to their list of false propaganda.

Well that’s an idiotic and completely incorrect claim so yeah you should absolutely do that Curly

 

[NorthDallas40]

looooooooooool


1. Russian troops are poorly trained. Know how I know? 80,000+ dead in less than a year. No air superiority. Constant retreats from fronts they can't hold.
2. Value of retreating? Has Russia been taking tips from France? Your spin is so bad. Oh..and saving lives and equipment? Thats odd since Russia abandons so much equipment when they retreat...

Russia has been Ukraine’s number one supplier of equipment in this self inflicted ass whipping but that’s all part of the master plan right Moe? @Rasputin_Vol

 

[LouderVol]

300k more than NATO could scrounge up.

But lets not talk about that right now. How about that Kherson offensive? Where are those Warthogs? The Abram tanks? Hey... how about that Kerch Bridge attack?

NATO isnt involved in the FIGHTING.

And depending on which sources you want to use that extra 300k still means that Russia could scrounge up 50k less men than Ukraine could in June when they hit 500k.

Suddenly numbers matter when before it was a claim of pride that Russia was easily winning despite being heavily outnumbered.

 

[volgr]

NATO isnt involved in the FIGHTING.

And depending on which sources you want to use that extra 300k still means that Russia could scrounge up 50k less men than Ukraine could in June when they hit 500k.

Suddenly numbers matter when before it was a claim of pride that Russia was easily winning despite being heavily outnumbered.

NATO is training, providing weapons, providing intel and not prohibiting their citizens from becoming mercs. They are doing everything but putting boots on the ground. As I have said, Putin has shown far more restraint than the US would if the shoe were on the other foot.

 

[KB5252]

You just answered your own question. No regional power would allow a rogue state to sit on their border and attack civilians and stage military assets in that country... all while the entire govt is corrupt and controlled by their main adversary.

First, Ukraine wouldn't have sought out help from America if Russia had simply let them be and not held under thumb and had their affairs meddled with.

Sure Ukraine was corrupt, being a vassal state of some of the most corrupt entities around instills that in the very fabric of a country. It will take decades to wash that from Ukraine.

So, if Russia would have simply not involved itself in the affairs of a sovereign nation it lacked the backing and resources to support so many years ago and conceded to let go, we wouldn't be involved in helping them fight Russia off. Russia brought this on themselves. They created the problem.


And you are correct, the US would never have been in this situation, it would not have allowed it to get to this point.


Edit:

On second thought I'll blow your argument out of the water with one example. Mexico. More corrupt than Ukraine. Is responsible for military incursions onto American soil. Yet we have not invaded, are not laying seige to their people and bombing them with cruise missiles.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So if the missile that hit Poland was launched by Ukraine, fair enough, I won’t blame Russia. Also, Ukraine shouldn’t deny it or traffic in conspiracy like the Kremlin would. If it’s their missile, they should apologize and hope Poland understands (which they very likely will).

Is there a link from something other than Russian media actually confirming that? I believe I did d see where an AWACS tracked the missile in question and the info has been provided to Ukraine and Poland.

And yes it’s good if it didn’t come from Russia since Russia pissing off Poland would be a really dangerous escalation.

 

[NorthDallas40]

We need a lot more of this. America needs to course correct and stop antagonizing Russia. Also, Zelensky has to go and Ukraine needs a leader who will seek peace with Russia.

Hey Larry welcome back! You see the Ukrainian flag flying over the Kherson government since you’re so interested I’m flags flying over that building?

 

[Velo Vol]

Has it been confirmed what the Poland missile was?

 

[NorthDallas40]

You must have mised all of the chatter in here over the past 3 months or so about Russia (allegedly) threatening to use nukes when in fact it was the US and NATO saber-rattling and foaming at the mouth about using nukes. I'm sure if I go back, you'll have some clown (or multiple clowns) talking about using a nuclear first strike option on Russia.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

There were actually links dropped of Pootin’s own statements on nukes as well as your stooge leadership group on RT pushing the use of nukes you lying ass troll!

 

[LouderVol]

You are a clown. So we start WWIII over Ukraine and Poland???

I mean WW1 was started over Serbia. And WW2 was started over Poland. So it's not like there is a great track record.

 

[volgr]

Hey Larry welcome back! You see the Ukrainian flag flying over the Kherson government since you’re so interested I’m flags flying over that building?

I said weeks ago it was looking increasingly likely that Russia would be forced to move to the other side of the River. Not a surprise. Thankfully most of the Kherson citizens were evacuated so they aren't being exposed to Ukrainian cruelty, that is more important than a flag.

 

[LouderVol]

Hmmm... good question I just saw in the comment section of the zero hedge article... Where is Poland's/NATO's air defense systems???

It was 3 miles in, very short time to respond, and probably on the descent already by the time it hits Polish airspace. Not particularly near a population zone, and the systems arent automatic, especially if you arent at war and havent been hit before.

Should poland/NATO be shooting down more Russian missiles?

Again you latch on to whatever stretch conspiracy you can.

 

[KB5252]

Most of the recent updates I've seen are saying this appears to have been a missile intended to intercept a Russian missile. This is coming from Polish sources. This does not get Russia off the hook however. Article 4 will still be involved because Russia is responsible for the aggressive actions that resulted in these countermeasures being used and going astray.

Russia is playing with fire at this point. Poland has a lot of resentment towards Russia. Russia would be wise to stay as far away from Poland as it can with strikes. LVIV is too close and they are playing with fire.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I said weeks ago it was looking increasingly likely that Russia would be forced to move to the other side of the River. Not a surprise. Thankfully most of the Kherson citizens were evacuated so they aren't being exposed to Ukrainian cruelty, that is more important than a flag.

LMAO no you didn’t! And they ran away and left even more equipment to resupply Ukraine with. They’re getting hood asses royally kicked and you stooges continue with this “negative advance” RT created stupidity to act like this is all going to plan!

Oh and there is plenty of cruelty against Ukrainian citizens being exposed. By Russians. We will hopefully see it all load out in The Hague in future war crimes tribunals.

 

[volgr]

Most of the recent updates I've seen are saying this appears to have been a missile intended to intercept a Russian missile. This is coming from Polish sources. This does not get Russia off the hook however. Article 4 will still be involved because Russia is responsible for the aggressive actions that resulted in these countermeasures being used and going astray.

Russia is playing with fire at this point. Poland has a lot of resentment towards Russia. Russia would be wise to stay as far away from Poland as it can with strikes. LVIV is too close and they are playing with fire.

Ukrainians haven't been all that careful or skillful with their air defense, which was of course provided by the West (which adds a certain level of irony).

 

[NorthDallas40]

I said weeks ago it was looking increasingly likely that Russia would be forced to move to the other side of the River. Not a surprise. Thankfully most of the Kherson citizens were evacuated so they aren't being exposed to Ukrainian cruelty, that is more important than a flag.

Here ya go Larry. Same location where you were all giddy about that Soviet flag being raised. Enjoy!

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Edit:

On second thought I'll blow your argument out of the water with one example. Mexico. More corrupt than Ukraine. Is responsible for military incursions onto American soil. Yet we have not invaded, are not laying seige to their people and bombing them with cruise missiles.

Now I know you really are a clown. How many times have we gone into Mexico and either taken land or occupied territory? Are you serious?

 

[Velo Vol]

Thread idiocy is returning. Lucky us.

 

[KB5252]

I said weeks ago it was looking increasingly likely that Russia would be forced to move to the other side of the River. Not a surprise. Thankfully most of the Kherson citizens were evacuated so they aren't being exposed to Ukrainian cruelty, that is more important than a flag.

The vast majority of Kherson population is still there. It appears the ones evacuated were non combatant support and medical personnel. I'm sure a number of Russian sympathisers left as well. Should have long before and let the nation they didn't want to be a part of be.

It turns out the numbers of people greeting their Ukrainian hero soldiers proves those 80 and 90% support for Russia numbers phony as potted meat.

 

[NorthDallas40]

NATO is training, providing weapons, providing intel and not prohibiting their citizens from becoming mercs. They are doing everything but putting boots on the ground. As I have said, Putin has shown far more restraint than the US would if the shoe were on the other foot.

Yeah they’ve been really restrained. They’re getting their asses completely and unequivocally destroyed and they’re just taking it. It’s not that they can’t do anything about it they just decided to take it

 

[LouderVol]

So if the missile that hit Poland was launched by Ukraine, fair enough, I won’t blame Russia. Also, Ukraine shouldn’t deny it or traffic in conspiracy like the Kremlin would. If it’s their missile, they should apologize and hope Poland understands (which they very likely will).

Two air defense missiles hitting that close together seems very unlikely. Almost as unlikely as them being Russian missiles that were knocked off course.

Two separate launchers, you usually don't group these things that close to each other so they cant be hit at the same time, fired at the same target in the air, would have different trajectories even if it was the same battery. They would also have to be "chasing" the Russian missiles, which I am pretty sure you dont do with surface to air missile defense, for their momentum to carry them into Poland.

It is much more probable, like much much much more, that these missiles hit their target. The question is who fired them. I think both sides are assuming the other, and will stick to it, no matter what evidence is provided.