War in Ukraine

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Bad if true. Anybody?


Elon Musk Spoke to Putin Before Tweeting Ukraine Peace Plan: Report

The world’s richest man spoke directly with Vladimir Putin, Eurasia Group’s Ian Bremmer wrote.

Elon Musk spoke directly with Russian President Vladimir Putin before tweeting a proposal to end the war in Ukraine that would have seen territory permanently ceded to Russia, it has been claimed.
In a mailout sent to Eurasia Group subscribers, Ian Bremmer wrote that Tesla CEO Musk told him that Putin was “prepared to negotiate,” but only if Crimea remained Russian, if Ukraine accepted a form of permanent neutrality, and Ukraine recognised Russia’s annexation of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

‘Give me everything I want or I will kill you’ sounds a little more like an ultimatum than a negotiation. But I admittedly have never been a world leader and could be wrong here.

 

[LSU-SIU]

‘Give me everything I want or I will kill you’ sounds a little more like an ultimatum than a negotiation. But I admittedly have never been a world leader and could be wrong here.

Sounds like United States foreign policy.

 

[apevol]

You admitted you're a huge fan of Elvis Presley, a known pedophile.

Huge fan eh? You're a ****ing joke and creepy to boot. The dude is one of the most influential and successful figures in the history of music.

Now what in the **** does that have to do with recognizing a disgraced analyst with an axe to grind has nowhere to turn but to churn out drivel for the kremlin you nitwit

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russia is heavily reinforced and launches another offensive resulting in much of the Donbas area being reclaimed by them. At some point a bloody stalemate developes. 100,000 total KIA on both sides by spring. The west begins to grow weary of supporting the war. Social upheaval begins in the UK and Germany as winter cold sets in and the European recession deepens. Food shortages lead to more chaos across the globe due to continuing disruptions.

Reclaimed? Did you just slip up and admit that Donbas belongs to Russia after all?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

My prediction for the next 6 to 9 months:

Russia is heavily reinforced and launches another offensive resulting in much of the Donbas area being reclaimed by them. At some point a bloody stalemate developes. 100,000 total KIA on both sides by spring. The west begins to grow weary of supporting the war. Social upheaval begins in the UK and Germany as winter cold sets in and the European recession deepens. Food shortages lead to more chaos across the globe due to continuing disruptions.

The wild cards: 1) Poland. I have a feeling that they are foolishly itching to get directly involved. 2) Belarus. Will they officially make it a 2 front war? 3) Tactical nukes. Will Putin use them? He may become more of a bad guy to the rest of the world if he does. He may not risk it. 4) China. They are beginning to spiral down economically. They are in trouble. Do they make a move against Taiwan out of desperation?

I think things are about to get real for everyone. Stock up on non perishable food. We could even see shortages here with poor harvests this year in the U.S.

BTW, the rest of your analysis here is garbage. China spiraling down? They have a real economy and makes the things the entire world needs. Just because they may have one sector of their economy that is in trouble (real estate), the other sectors will be fine.

And Poland, if/when they come in, they aren't coming in for altruistic reasons or to help Ukraine. They have their eyes on Galacia/Lviv. I think if they play their cards right and tune down some of their belligerence, they might be able to work out a deal without having to get into a shooting match.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

the largest country on the face of the earth by a wide margin with government officials talking about taking alaska back, marching to the indian ocean. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE US.

At least my turds flush after I'm done taking a ****.

One random legislator running his mouth about taking Alaska back and now you claim to believe that nonsense. Just think of that guy as the Russian version of MTG if it makes you feel better. Russia isn't going after Alaska. It has it's hands full enough already.

 

[volgr]

Because there is zero chance Europe ditches the Euro for the dollar. The EU will break up and countries will revert to their individual currencies before that happens.

Europe is desperate, or will be desperate.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yeah. Biden's son, Pelosi's son, Romney's son, and Kerry's son already drained so many millions of dollars of dirty money from Ukraine than any of those families will ever need while Ukrainian women have been slobbering knob in Istanbul, Beijing, Amsterdam, and every other city in Eurasia just to get by from being a citizen in Europe's poorest country. But these American politicians and the people who vote for them really care about Ukrainians!

American and Ukrainian politicians are not only getting phat paydays from weapons companies, but Monsanto owns 20% of all of the farmland in Ukraine, so that's another big payday right there. Ukrainian men are basically dying to defend Corporate American soil.

Interestingly, Ukraine and Russia already had a whole lot more women than men even before the war started. In the past, it's been hard to get into Russia without a work visa and I imagine it's even harder now and probably not worth the risk of the US government prosecuting you if a $3 lunch at Uncle Vanya's shows up on your American Express Skymiles card.

Ukraine, on the other hand, has always been wide open, but the best place to meet the best-looking Ukrainian women is the dive bars between the Hyatt and Hilton in Taksim district in Istanbul. A lot of them are very well-spoken ladies fluent in English who are obviously very well-educated but with zero opportunity in their homeland since their nation's wealth gets sucked out to Washington DC, so they have to suck off outside of Ukraine to suck money back in. The best-looking Ukrainian I've ever seen, though, has been a streetwalker in China. That one was pre-Maidan, but all the coup did was swap out a corrupt donkey for an equally corrupt mule.

Due to the war, the gender gap in Ukraine and Russia is growing, particularly in the 18-40 age range, especially in Ukraine since it's losing more men both nominally and especially per capita than the Russians. That being said, I've seen a lot of articles about how wives in the UK and elsewhere are angry because their fat middle-aged husbands are leaving them for Ukrainian pieces of ass in their 20s that moved into their home as refugees. Plus Ukrainian women are saturating Tinder and those sites in Western Europe. Russian women are banned for traveling to most of those countries, so they can't leave their husband on the front line for a much wealthier Jody in Germany or Poland the way Ukrainian women can. The war in Ukraine is perhaps the best thing to ever happen to Ukrainian women and one of the worst things to happen in decades to Ukrainian men, except for the "brave" Comedian and his crew who are becoming fantastically wealthy men.

I read a link to an old story that I posted a year or so back and it revealed yet another reason why these guys hated the Nordstream pipelines so much. Obviously, they wanted to come in and supply Europe with American LNG at exorbitant prices... that's one angle. But the other angle is that the Nordstream pipelines bypassed Ukraine. And if the bypass Ukraine, then that means that Ukraine and the entities tied in with the pipelines there (Burisma and/or Kyiv govt???) couldn't collect any transit fees from the gas passing through.

Ukraine is a racket for skimming off free money for the politically connected.

 

[MontyPython]

‘Give me everything I want or I will kill you’ sounds a little more like an ultimatum than a negotiation. But I admittedly have never been a world leader and could be wrong here.

Made me chuckle.

The good news is I'm pretty sure Putin posts here.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yeah. Biden's son, Pelosi's son, Romney's son, and Kerry's son already drained so many millions of dollars of dirty money from Ukraine than any of those families will ever need while Ukrainian women have been slobbering knob in Istanbul, Beijing, Amsterdam, and every other city in Eurasia just to get by from being a citizen in Europe's poorest country. But these American politicians and the people who vote for them really care about Ukrainians!

American and Ukrainian politicians are not only getting phat paydays from weapons companies, but Monsanto owns 20% of all of the farmland in Ukraine, so that's another big payday right there. Ukrainian men are basically dying to defend Corporate American soil.

Interestingly, Ukraine and Russia already had a whole lot more women than men even before the war started. In the past, it's been hard to get into Russia without a work visa and I imagine it's even harder now and probably not worth the risk of the US government prosecuting you if a $3 lunch at Uncle Vanya's shows up on your American Express Skymiles card.

Ukraine, on the other hand, has always been wide open, but the best place to meet the best-looking Ukrainian women is the dive bars between the Hyatt and Hilton in Taksim district in Istanbul. A lot of them are very well-spoken ladies fluent in English who are obviously very well-educated but with zero opportunity in their homeland since their nation's wealth gets sucked out to Washington DC, so they have to suck off outside of Ukraine to suck money back in. The best-looking Ukrainian I've ever seen, though, has been a streetwalker in China. That one was pre-Maidan, but all the coup did was swap out a corrupt donkey for an equally corrupt mule.

Due to the war, the gender gap in Ukraine and Russia is growing, particularly in the 18-40 age range, especially in Ukraine since it's losing more men both nominally and especially per capita than the Russians. That being said, I've seen a lot of articles about how wives in the UK and elsewhere are angry because their fat middle-aged husbands are leaving them for Ukrainian pieces of ass in their 20s that moved into their home as refugees. Plus Ukrainian women are saturating Tinder and those sites in Western Europe. Russian women are banned for traveling to most of those countries, so they can't leave their husband on the front line for a much wealthier Jody in Germany or Poland the way Ukrainian women can. The war in Ukraine is perhaps the best thing to ever happen to Ukrainian women and one of the worst things to happen in decades to Ukrainian men, except for the "brave" Comedian and his crew who are becoming fantastically wealthy men.

Explains why Poland is so against the pipelines because it looks like they were skimming also.

Leaked Docs Reveal Germany Is Urging Congress To Thwart Biden Admin Sanctions On Nord Stream 2 | ZeroHedge

For years going back into the Trump administration, the White House has consistently argued that its anti-NS2 stance is based on the fear that Putin is using the pipeline as a punitive action and weapon especially against Ukraine, cutting it out of crucial transit fees, and eventually seeking to bypass the Eastern European country altogether as a key energy transit hub. Thus it's little wonder why the "non-paper" remained out of public eye and "classified" until now. The main US argument for blocking the line has rested on assuming that Putin wants to hold Europe's energy independence hostage.

German, Russian Envoys To Meet To Ease Political Tensions Over Ukraine | ZeroHedge

The development prompted some politicians to assume that Russia is playing politics and pushing for the approval of its recently built Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which is yet to be greenlighted by the German regulator. Fully constructed in September, the pipeline faced vehement opposition from Poland and Ukraine – two transit nations bypassed by the Baltic Sea pipeline – as well as the US. Berlin recently said it would decide the project’s fate on a non-political basis.

 

[MontyPython]

Europe is desperate, or will be desperate.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Europe is desperate, or will be desperate.

It comes down to Germany, the issue now for Germany is that they're in a tough spot. There is no other place to get the energy they need short to medium term other than huge prices through the United States and possibly from Russia.

Will the Germans finally figure out the United States is at war with them? And if they do, how do they proceed?

 

[LouderVol]

Exactly.
Its not free trade. LoL That is what all the sanctions and the all the threats of sanctions against those that don't listen is about. You have some strange definition for things. Now free trade is not so much free at all. LoL That is what the world is tired of.

What you are talking about is the same stuff, the United States inferring with other countries affairs. You can call it anything you want.

Considering who we are sanctioning arent following free trade themselves, i dont know why we wouldnt sanction them. Its self defeating and naive AF, for us to practice free trade with people who arent also practicing free trade or abiding but some set of common rules/standards. That's all why I said relatively free trade. But it's still voluntary.

Like Russia cutting off the oil supply before the sanctions went into effect. They took a voluntary move to preempt the sanctions, that was counter to free trade. They have stated they will trade again once the sanctions are lifted. Right now the west isnt practicing free trade with Russia, so Russia did the smart thing for them and stopped practicing free trade in return.

When the west does it, its twisting arms, and wrong. When Russia does it, not a peep, but lots of gloating about freezing Europeans. Yet another example of the one way street you live on.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They are reinforcing with manpower only from their own population. They love throwing bodies at a problem. Will lead to a lot more KIA, but they'll get some push. They haven't evolved in military strategy in a hundred years.

What is our military track record like since WWII? That is 80 years ago, so not much difference.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It starts either way. Some people won't be able to afford to eat and keep warm this winter.

If there were no sanctions on Russian energy and exports (fertilizer, grain, etc), Europe wouldn't be about to freeze and starve to death.

 

[LouderVol]

Reclaimed? Did you just slip up and admit that Donbas belongs to Russia after all?

Russia invaded and took it away. Taking it back is reclaiming. Ukraine cant claim land held by foreign hands. No one can. Well unless you are Russia apparently.

Another extreme semantics stretch on your part.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Considering who we are sanctioning arent following free trade themselves, i dont know why we wouldnt sanction them. Its self defeating and naive AF, for us to practice free trade with people who arent also practicing free trade or abiding but some set of common rules/standards. That's all why I said relatively free trade. But it's still voluntary.

No its not volunatary you stupid ass, which is why the United States is threatening other countries that don't do sanctions themselves. That isn't free trade.

But it's still voluntary.

And its voluntary for the Ukraine to comply with Russia's demands. There really is no difference.

That is what the world is talking about.... it was a mistake for the world to give the United States this power.

When the west does it, its twisting arms, and wrong. When Russia does it, not a peep, but lots of gloating about freezing Europeans. Yet another example of the one way street you live on.

The freezing was done because of the sanctions and now the United States blowing up the pipelines.

How exactly does one sanction and still get the thing from the sanction? LoL

You are trying way too hard.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What I meant is once they all collectively figure out the root problem. The issue now is they are screwed with limited options for a decade or two. At some point the rest of the world is going to just say F it, reset.

I think its possible they make it through this winter but economically none of this is going to work even medium term.

OK, let's say they make it through the winter? Then what? Because I'm sure by that point, they would have rationed themselves just enough to get by, but any reserves they had would definitely be tapped out by March. Then what? Now you have to figure out what to do for next summer and next winter with bone dry reserves.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Looks like Ukraine us getting air defense systems from about half a dozen countries or more.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Maybe the reset as far as global trade goes is already happening? Countries, including the U.S. are already beginning to to decouple...particularly from China. Like you said though, will take many moons.

So we have manufacturing/ industrial capacity right now to decouple from China?

 

[LSU-SIU]

OK, let's say they make it through the winter? Then what? Because I'm sure by that point, they would have rationed themselves just enough to get by, but any reserves they had would definitely be tapped out by March. Then what? Now you have to figure out what to do for next summer and next winter with bone dry reserves.

Yeah, the medium to long term outlook for Europe is pretty bad. I keep referring it to as 1980s USSR because that is what its going to be unless something drastic doesn't happen.... like right now. LoL

The only short-medium term solution is somehow get Russia gas/oil, or they will have to go back to living in caves.

Who needs enemies when you have the United States as your friend?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yup. Hardly anyone is considering global corporate debt. China is starting to get a taste of that already.

Largely internal debt, not from foreign creditors.

China will be fine.

 

[norrislakevol]

Reclaimed? Did you just slip up and admit that Donbas belongs to Russia after all?

Negative. The captured that with their army. They will try to recapture what they have lost.

 

[norrislakevol]

BTW, the rest of your analysis here is garbage. China spiraling down? They have a real economy and makes the things the entire world needs. Just because they may have one sector of their economy that is in trouble (real estate), the other sectors will be fine.

And Poland, if/when they come in, they aren't coming in for altruistic reasons or to help Ukraine. They have their eyes on Galacia/Lviv. I think if they play their cards right and tune down some of their belligerence, they might be able to work out a deal without having to get into a shooting match.

You seriously are not considering their manipulation of their economy to beef up numbers. It's coming back to bite them too.

 

[norrislakevol]

What is our military track record like since WWII? That is 80 years ago, so not much difference.

Our kill ratios are ridiculously high with a relatively low number of casualties. Russia is fighting other Europeans though, so there is a difference there. They continue to use the same old tired strategies that cost them soldiers. Not that they care though.