Discussion of gay rights, religion, abortion...oh yeah, and Pete Rose

#426
#426
OrangeEmpire said:
Why?

In the situation I gave earlier, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, those two boys will not have a chance at life going back with their parents.
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I understand that if those kids went back to their parents they wouldn't have a chance. I have seen situations like that first hand as well. But I still don't believe they should be able to.
 
#428
#428
OrangeEmpire said:
Why?

In the situation I gave earlier, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, those two boys will not have a chance at life going back with their parents.
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i agree with you, but that is one example. maybe those kids are better off, but many others would not be. <just playing devils advocate>
 
#429
#429
tnvolsfan85 said:
I understand that if those kids went back to their parents they wouldn't have a chance. I have seen situations like that first hand as well. But I still don't believe they should be able to.
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Why would you knowingly send those children back to failure?
 
#430
#430
droski said:
i agree with you, but that is one example. maybe those kids are better off, but many others would not be. <just playing devils advocate>
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No argument there, but that is too simple. There is always going to be schumcks on both ends of the spectrum.
 
#431
#431
Volingatorland said:
What if it isnt an "awe f it" trait, rather it is a "compassion" trait and the donor is doing it out of the good of his heart?
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If he's smart enough to have compassion and be aware of something like that, then he's smart enough to know that kid will be confused as hell once it hits the age where it wonders where daddy is. Why would someone with compassion knowingly put a kid through that and agree not to see them.
 
#433
#433
Business said:
If he's smart enough to have compassion and be aware of something like that, then he's smart enough to know that kid will be confused as hell once it hits the age where it wonders where daddy is. Why would someone with compassion knowingly put a kid through that and agree not to see them.
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#435
#435
Business said:
If he's smart enough to have compassion and be aware of something like that, then he's smart enough to know that kid will be confused as hell once it hits the age where it wonders where daddy is. Why would someone with compassion knowingly put a kid through that and agree not to see them.
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Very well said!!
 
#436
#436
emainvol said:
I respect your opinion as well, but that leads to another question from me: If God is all-powerful, all-knowing, etc. why does he need our love? If it is simply an experiment, what is the point since he knows the final outcome?
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I don't have all the answers so I rely on faith for things I do not know. I think he wants our love rather than needs it. God doesn't need anything but if he manufactured our love rather than give us a choice to love him than it wouldn't be true love. Anyways, that's how I see it.
 
#437
#437
tnvolsfan85 said:
I would not knowingly send those kids back. I don't believe they should be able too. I can't really explain it but it's my opinion.
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You have it in you!

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#438
#438
Business said:
If he's smart enough to have compassion and be aware of something like that, then he's smart enough to know that kid will be confused as hell once it hits the age where it wonders where daddy is. Why would someone with compassion knowingly put a kid through that and agree not to see them.
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I like OE's answer.

But I mean compassion for said couple. The donation is just that, and he has no knowledge of the person his donation becomes. It's blind, but it could still be out of compassion.

I have a son that I have never met. We never did a paternity test because he lives with my ex wife and her husband and was born when they were together. I stay uninvolved because I know he has two very good parents, and I don't want to interfere with that. The only reason I would ever come into the picture is if there was a medical issue in which I was needed to donate. And my ex knows that.

Not the same, I know. But it is a similar situation.
 
#439
#439
Volingatorland said:
I like OE's answer.

But I mean compassion for said couple. The donation is just that, and he has no knowledge of the person his donation becomes. It's blind, but it could still be out of compassion.

I have a son that I have never met. We never did a paternity test because he lives with my ex wife and her husband and was born when they were together. I stay uninvolved because I know he has two very good parents, and I don't want to interfere with that. The only reason I would ever come into the picture is if there was a medical issue in which I was needed to donate. And my ex knows that.

Not the same, I know. But it is a similar situation.
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Wow..... I almost respect you........ but that whole marine thing....

:)

:hi:

You are a better man than I!
 
#440
#440
OrangeEmpire said:
Wow..... I almost respect you........ but that whole marine thing....

:)

:hi:

You are a better man than I!
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I wanted to be part of his life, I really really did. It took a very long time for me to realize that the kid was better off not ever knowing I exist. All I had to do is look at my childhood, and see how much my biological father effed that up. I don't want that for anyone else, it's tough to recover from.
 
#441
#441
Volingatorland said:
I like OE's answer.

But I mean compassion for said couple. The donation is just that, and he has no knowledge of the person his donation becomes. It's blind, but it could still be out of compassion.

I have a son that I have never met. We never did a paternity test because he lives with my ex wife and her husband and was born when they were together. I stay uninvolved because I know he has two very good parents, and I don't want to interfere with that. The only reason I would ever come into the picture is if there was a medical issue in which I was needed to donate. And my ex knows that.

Not the same, I know. But it is a similar situation.
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Yeah, but the compassion bug gets squashed with knowing that the kid will be confused in its life. That you will never be able to see the kid as "Daddy" until it is 18 or older.

Your situation is nothing like the situation we are talking about. The kid not seeing the father might be the same, but the way the kid came to life is totally different.
 
#442
#442
Business said:
Yeah, but the compassion bug gets squashed with knowing that the kid will be confused in its life. That you will never be able to see the kid as "Daddy" until it is 18 or older.

Your situation is nothing like the situation we are talking about. The kid not seeing the father might be the same, but the way the kid came to life is totally different.
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I see similarities in it, but yes I see where you're coming from with the confusion. I'm not sure there is a right answer to this.
 
#443
#443
OrangeEmpire said:
Any one against gays from adopting children?
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ME...we recently adopted a ten year old boy, his last foster placement was in the home of two lesbians, my wife and I now have to deal with the "issues" that the situation instilled in him
 
#444
#444
T-TownVol said:
ME...we recently adopted a ten year old boy, his last foster placement was in the home of two lesbians, my wife and I now have to deal with the "issues" that the situation instilled in him
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So your one situation cancels out my one situation?
 
#445
#445
T-TownVol said:
ME...we recently adopted a ten year old boy, his last foster placement was in the home of two lesbians, my wife and I now have to deal with the "issues" that the situation instilled in him
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May I ask why he was removed from those foster parents?
 
#446
#446
T-TownVol said:
ME...we recently adopted a ten year old boy, his last foster placement was in the home of two lesbians, my wife and I now have to deal with the "issues" that the situation instilled in him
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did the "issues" come from the fact that they were lesbians or just because they were wackjobs?
 
#449
#449
OrangeEmpire said:
So your one situation cancels out my one situation?
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the question that i answered is as far as i went back in the thread, i did not read your situation, we have been foster parents in the system and are now adoptive parents, i know every situation is different, i will go back and read the whole thread
 
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