War in Ukraine

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landscapingvol said:
They celebrate Joseph Stalin's birthday in Red Square. Who was responsible for more death and destruction towards their own people? It isn't a trick question
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That’s different clearly.

The whole Bandera narrative is just the usual deflection. He was a naturalized Ukrainian citizen (so no he wasn’t there was no Ukraine when he was alive he was born in a region of Austria Hungary which is now Ukraine) working for the liberation of his chosen country. He had two options to chose from, Hitler or Stalin. Lose lose. And the KGB ultimately assassinated him for his efforts on Ukraine liberation.

But to your point he didn’t kill any Ukrainians I’m aware of.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
No, but the elected officials were talking and suggesting a no fly-zone, that's an immediate war.

None of this is the United States's business, you are very invested for some unknown reason. You don't care about those people just like everywhere the United States has been involved with. If Russia were evil and aggressors than logic would be to cut off all supply both ways.

Nothing wrong with letting them fighting it out, the whole country is going to be destroy in due course as that is what the United States has setup.
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I wouldnt call responding to a message board very involved.

After 9/11 I started paying attention to world wide issues even if they didnt directly effect me yet. I didnt want to be completely blindsided and not understand the underlying world tensions. So I pay attention. I am will never be sorry for being informed and applying critical thinking.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That guy was likely just a regular civilian and was conscripted in and thrown to the front lines.
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I've never really understand why anyone would think that is a good idea. I mean, its just like slaves. Django Unchained comes to mind. Most slaves have options. If I were a slave, I would spend as much of my time thinking of how I can kill my slave master. I vowed to never take orders again in a military type situation, if I did, it would be in the guise to kill the slave master.

Me: Why are you pointing that rifle at me?
Slave Master: You are going to join our army.
Me: But I don't want to be in your stupid white man army, are you going to shoot me if I don't join?
Slave Master: Yep.
Me: Okay, sign me up... nice sales tactic.
Slave Master: I thought it would convince you.
Me: Where are the grenades? And what time is the mess hall most busy?

I'm pretty convinced I could wipe out quite a few, maybe in the 100s before they figured it out.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I've never really under why anyone would think that is a good idea. I mean, its just like slaves. Django Unchained comes to mind. Most slaves have options. If I were a slave, I would spend as much of my time thinking of how I can kill my slave master. I vowed to never take orders again in a military type situation, if I did, it would be in the guise to kill the slave master.

Me: Why are you pointing that rifle at me?
Slave Master: You are going to join our army.
Me: But I don't want to be in your stupid white man army, are you going to shoot me if I don't join?
Slave Master: Yep.
Me: Okay, sign me up... nice sales tactic.
Slave Master: I thought it would convince you.
Me: Where are the grenades? And what time is the mess hall most busy?

I'm pretty convinced I could wipe out quite a few, maybe in the 100s before they figured it out.
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That guys was just insane. I would say it would be insane to force me to join the stupid white man sent to death army. Lots of stupid white men would die, just not like they envision.
 
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landscapingvol said:
They celebrate Joseph Stalin's birthday in Red Square. Who was responsible for more death and destruction towards their own people? It isn't a trick question
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Lol. I saw a video of that and it's minor compared to the people who show up to honor Bandera.

Plus what you did was create a strawman argument and complete non sequitur on your behalf. We are talking about Nazis and racist ultranationalists. Not communists. Stay on topic.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I've never really understand why anyone would think that is a good idea.
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If the objective is to win a war, then it obviously wouldn't make sense. But if the purpose is to sacrifice men in an effort to get some type of political outcome or media victory, then it makes sense. Or, the most likely (and often stated) purpose is to throw as many Ukrainians at the Russians as they can until the Russians run out of military resources.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If the objective is to win a war, then it obviously wouldn't make sense. But if the purpose is to sacrifice men in an effort to get some type of political outcome or media victory, then it makes sense. Or, the most likely (and often stated) purpose is to throw as many Ukrainians at the Russians as they can until the Russians run out of military resources.
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"all other considerations secondary. crew expendable" - signed United States

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landscapingvol said:
They celebrate Joseph Stalin's birthday in Red Square. Who was responsible for more death and destruction towards their own people? It isn't a trick question
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I notice that you didn't refute the notion that Bandera was also responsible for death and destruction. You just wanted to make a comparison between Bandera and Stalin. Obviously, Stalin is bad. In comparison, Charles Manson I guess would be good? How many people did Manson actually kill with his bare hands or call to be killed?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Lol. Yeah right. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Me and others have proven this before. And no matter what we post trolls like yourself are not only going to deflect but you all jump in like a pack of hyenas.
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No you don't prove anything. You agree with each other and pretend that proves anything beyond you think the same.
 
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volfanhill said:
One of the worst mistakes the allied powers made post WW2. Allowing Stalin to walk on his genocidal actions.
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You mean the same powers that supported The Shah of Iran, Diem in Vietnam, Pinochet in Chile and The Khmer Rouge? Maybe the Allied Powers thought Stalin could still be useful to them.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
That guys was just insane. I would say it would be insane to force me to join the stupid white man sent to death army. Lots of stupid white men would die, just not like they envision.
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I guess tech ically you can rant that pur army is still white. But it's a much narrower majority than the general population. I doubt you would kill nearly as many white people as you would like.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If things continue as they are right now for 3elensky, there is a good chance he could end up like Neidermeyer.
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I'll be honest. I do feel bad for the people of Ukraine as they are being used once again. Plus if you study the history of that region just going back to the 19th century they suffered many famines. Particularly in the area of Galicia.

I also noticed an old map of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. I think it was called the Polish- Lithuania Commonwealth for a bit as well. Anyways much of Ukraine was part of the Grand Duchy except for much of the territory in Eastern Ukraine and most of the territory along the Black Sea. I think at one time it had the largest area of any region in Europe.
 
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volfanhill said:
One of the worst mistakes the allied powers made post WW2. Allowing Stalin to walk on his genocidal actions.
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WW2 was the last gasp of real power for what was left of the pre WW1 European, World powers. I can't say that I necessarily blame them for latching onto Russia as a means to an end but it was certainly a mistake looking back but what choice did the British have? The US had its hands full mobilizing and dealing with the Japanese as well.
 
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LouderVol said:
I wouldnt call responding to a message board very involved.

After 9/11 I started paying attention to world wide issues even if they didnt directly effect me yet. I didnt want to be completely blindsided and not understand the underlying world tensions. So I pay attention. I am will never be sorry for being informed and applying critical thinking.
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That's not what I really mean. There are lots of crocodile tears out here for some reason. At the end of the day, nobody really cares about any of these people. I see nothing wrong with the discussion but people are pretty invested for some reason and its not because they care about anyone dying there.

I think it the Russians strategy makes sense post early 90s, obviously others (United States) thought it made sense as well... which is why you have all this Ukraine action by the west. Now, you personally can say it doesn't make sense, but that is irrelevant at this point. It makes sense to all the parties, and the Russians are not going to listen to you. So, at this point its just about how it plays out. For the most part there are limited options. Most likely they keep fighting for a few years, and nothing will be left.

Let'em fight, none of our business. Fine to discuss but the fake crocodile tears from here is kind of funny. Nobody cares about the people dying, the United States is like... great!!! The United States doesn't really care if its all blown up.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
That's not what I really mean. There are lots of crocodile tears out here for some reason. At the end of the day, nobody really cares about any of these people. I see nothing wrong with the discussion but people are pretty invested for some reason and its not because they care about anyone dying there.

I think it the Russians strategy makes sense post early 90s, obviously others (United States) thought it made sense as well... which is why you have all this Ukraine action by the west. Now, you personally can say it doesn't make sense, but that is irrelevant at this point. It makes sense to all the parties, and the Russians are not going to listen to you. So, at this point its just about how it plays out. For the most part there are limited options. Most likely they keep fighting for a few years, and nothing will be left.

Let'em fight, none of our business. Fine to discuss but the fake crocodile tears from here is kind of funny. Nobody cares about the people dying, the United States is like... great!!! The United States doesn't really care if its all blown up.
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Some of these posters have been all giddy about Russians dying and how we aren't using our troops to kill them but using Ukrainians. They have been open about their feelings on this too.
 
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