War in Ukraine

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MontyPython said:
Sure. But all our school books could have been in German had the US not intervened in Europe circa 1941.

Isolationism is a failed policy. Freedom is not free.

We all get that you don't understand these simple truths.

And, BTW, what's your friggin problem with Zelensky being a "cokehead"? Whether true or not, who cares. Just ask W.
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There is literally zero chance germany was a threat to America after the japanese attacked. Now had they coordinated, before we woke up, sure. but after, no chance in hades. They couldnt get across 40 miles of water, how were they going to handle 3,000 miles?
 
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volgr said:
"May be", lol. This has been the case for weeks now in Donbas. At least Ukraine/Western Death Cult are slowly coming around to letting a small bit of reality creep in...
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So does that sound like Russia getting its azz handed to them?

If that clown Arestovych is saying this, you know it is bad.

I said about a week ago that there was still a window open for these guys to save face and backtrack from their support of this debacle. Now with the way things appear, I give it until next week before that window closes. If Arestovych is saying it's going to be a tough month, that really means 1-2 weeks.
 
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LouderVol said:
Actually that would be another step up. They arent involved in military conflict so those supplies arent really "needed", especially if it keeps the most likely problem contained.

Fuel on the other hand they need and use on the daily. And with them cutting themselves off from their biggest fuel source they are going to start hurting for fuel real fast if they try to supply two nations off of reserves. They may make a grand show out of a couple tankers but there is very little chance they ever provide meaningful amounts for free. And ukraine would only be able to buy from them as much as the other nations could afford to sell.
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I’d guess they just give Ukraine the fuel based on how they’re throwing lethal aid at them but to your point if there isn’t any to give that’s a bigger problem.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
I imagine museums might want some of those T-62s. Russia probably wasn't even able to sell them to third world countries or they wouldn't have so many in stock. A lot of Russian soldiers are going to be dead soon.
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Imagine if you’re a Russian armor soldier and they show you your “new” tank. LMFAO!

“We’re gonna attack Hummers with ‘55 Chevy’s woohoo!” 😂
 
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If Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass left and right why did we have to give them upwards of 50 billion dollars? Would 5 billion have sufficed?

Really I could care less about Ukraine tbh. That money and a lot of other money should stay inside our borders.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
If Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass left and right why did we have to give them upwards of 50 billion dollars? Would 5 billion have sufficed?

Really I could care less about Ukraine tbh. That money and a lot of other money should stay inside our borders.
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It should stay in our borders, but pretending like the winner doesnt need money too is BS. History is replete of victories costing too much. There is even a term for it, not necessarily tied to financial losses, but a Pyrrhic Victory is almost as bad as a loss.

And this is not me saying I think Ukraine is winning. Just pointing out that the possibility of them winning doesnt negate the need of money.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
If Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass left and right why did we have to give them upwards of 50 billion dollars? Would 5 billion have sufficed?

Really I could care less about Ukraine tbh. That money and a lot of other money should stay inside our borders.
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Asking sensible questions like that in this forum will lead to accusations of you being a Pootin Stooge.
 
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LouderVol said:
It should stay in our borders, but pretending like the winner doesnt need money too is BS. History is replete of victories costing too much. There is even a term for it, not necessarily tied to financial losses, but a Pyrrhic Victory is almost as bad as a loss.

And this is not me saying I think Ukraine is winning. Just pointing out that the possibility of them winning doesnt negate the need of money.
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Why is it our responsibility? Why has all of Europe contributed a miniscule fraction of the amount we have?

Just a long-standing complaint on all the aid we send in "defense" contracts and other bloated non-sense. Half that probably circles back and into politicians' coffers.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Why is it our responsibility? Why has all of Europe contributed a miniscule fraction of the amount we have?

Just a long-standing complaint on all the aid we send in "defense" contracts and other bloated non-sense. Half that probably circles back and into politicians' coffers.
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I agree. That's why I said it should stay in our borders.

It happens because our politics is driven but whatever crisis is up. Think of the children. Think of the racism. Think of the evil *insert enemy of the day*. That happens because we have people paying more attention to what the other party does, rather than looking critically at their own.
 
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LouderVol said:
Asking why are WE giving them money, is a sensible question.

Asking why THEY need money, is not a sensible question. And just shows your slant.
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Both are sensible questions. Plus, from the messaging of the Ukrainian Bots in here it is obvious Ukraine is putting a whooping on Russia and therefore DOES NOT need a penny from us.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Why is it our responsibility? Why has all of Europe contributed a miniscule fraction of the amount we have?

Just a long-standing complaint on all the aid we send in "defense" contracts and other bloated non-sense. Half that probably circles back and into politicians' coffers.
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That's all Ukraine is (and really what Afghanistan was)... a way for the MIC and other western interests to siphon of cash. They don't give a hot damn about these countries.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That's all Ukraine is (and really what Afghanistan was)... a way for the MIC and other western interests to siphon of cash. They don't give a hot damn about these countries.
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We watch genocides happen quite often and never step in. This has been played out as we are a protector of the needy. LOL. We only care unless it benefits us (politicians/government contractors/lobbyists) period.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
We watch genocides happen quite often and never step in. This has been played out as we are a protector of the needy. LOL. We only care unless it benefits us (politicians/government contractors/lobbyists) period.
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I've tried asking these guys what makes Ukraine unique compared to any other situation and get accused of whataboutism.
 
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