War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
What does Putin have to do with them? The BS pushed in Ukraine is that there are ethnic Russians there. But now you make Putin sound like the war monger you accuse the US of being going about "freeing" people from their oppressive masters the world over.

Keep up the slant.
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Funny, he doesn’t seem concerned about the independence of the North Ossetians. Probably because North Ossetia is part of Russia.
 
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volgr said:
That isn't cherry picking, dum dum. He made a definitive statement and even sealed it with, "PERIOD". I'm not arguing his bad reasoning and God awful analogies. If I were, THEN you could say I cherry picked by leaving out his reasoning. Instead I commented that the world isn't black and white, thus his definitive statement is sophomoric as was his whole post.
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When you erased his reasons for making the statement you take issue with you fundamentally changed the post.
 
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Septic said:
What's the difference between you and Boris here?

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Boris actually knows what a non sequitur is.
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A baseball bat? Because baseball is so popular in Russia.

For all we know, that isn't Boris but Bubba from Cocke County with a bottle of shine.
 
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Septic said:
"There are probably almost no [members of the elite] who are satisfied with Putin. [The business community] and many members of the government are unhappy that the president started the war without thinking about the scale of sanctions—it’s impossible to live with such sanctions,” another source close to the Kremlin told Meduza.

“The problems [in Russia due to the war] are already evident, and in the middle of the summer they will just come pouring down from all directions: transportation, medicine, even agriculture. Nobody thought about such a scale [of impacts],” another source said.

Maybe they should get @Rasputin_Vol to show them the yahoo finance infographic that he uses to deduce "everything's fine."
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Unnamed sources...
 
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USF grad in TN said:
Putin’s Own Men Are Already Discussing Who Will Replace Him
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Let me tell you, if you think the people are upset with Putin's handling of this conflict are going to support Medvedev, that is a clear indication that they are dissatisfied with Putin not going far enough...

Some of Putin’s own allies within the Kremlin walls have reportedly floated the idea of Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin becoming his successor, or former President Dmitry Medvedev, who is now the deputy chairman of the Security Council. Sergei Kirienko, the first deputy chief of staff of the presidential administration, was also said to have been discussed as a contender.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let me tell you, if you think the people are upset with Putin's handling of this conflict are going to support Medvedev, that is a clear indication that they are dissatisfied with Putin not going far enough...
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And if the current hardliner is replaced with a worse hardliner then the civilized world will respond and tighten the thumb screws even more Moe.

I’d guess this will continue until all the old Soviet hard liners die off via old age or with assistance.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not valid to you because of a likely held over bias from the Cold War towards Russians and added in with govt and media propaganda about the actual reasons for the conflict.
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I'm beginning to think these hens would like the actual Communists parties of Russia and Belarus to gain back power. And for Svoboda to be in charge in Ukraine.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Funny, he doesn’t seem concerned about the independence of the North Ossetians. Probably because North Ossetia is part of Russia.
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It might seem that the Ossetian people are treated worse in Georgia than they are in Russia. Has that ever crossed your mind?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK. I agree. So what is the point you are trying to make about the ANTIFA independence zone? Help me connect the dots to your line of thinking.
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That just because a small group of anarchists or terrorists want to be “free” from their sovereign country doesn’t make it just or right. And certainly doesn’t justify another country invading that sovereign country
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
That just because a small group of anarchists or terrorists want to be “free” from their sovereign country doesn’t make it just or right.
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There is nothing wrong with people coming together and wanting to be sovereign and independent, no matter what the size of the group is. Are you seriously saying this?

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And certainly doesn’t justify another country invading that sovereign country
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There are several reasons why a country would invade another. In this particular case, the Russians had sat back for 8 years waiting on the Ukrainians to implement the Minsk II ceasefire agreements and stop attack ethnic Russians/Russian speakers in the breakaway republics. Had the Ukrainians simply abided by those ceasefire agreements, we would not be where we are right now.
 
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volgr said:
True (minus the silly terrorist label), which is why Russia isn't interested in liberating areas that have "small groups" seeking independence from Ukraine. Which is most of the central and western areas which are overwhelmingly pro-Ukrainian.
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As you have seen and admitted Russia got wrong at the start, most Ukrainians, even in the SE are pro Ukrainian. They just arent pro West (only after being occupied by Russia). But that doesnt mean they are Pro Russian, or want to see Ukraine invaded. And considering there were no actual people from Donbas at either of the Minsk agreements we just have to take the occupiers word that this what they wanted.
 
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volgr said:
Three soviets, lol. Yes, anyone who doesn't lap up the western propaganda and understand this isn't a black and white issue but one that is highly complex and regional, is a Soviet. Good Lord.
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I have called out their bs and never been called a soviet. Several other posters have commented negatively on several pieces of the propaganda and not been called Soviets.

You guys are called Soviets because you literally only take their side. First time in history the aggressor in a war has done nothing wrong worth mentioning.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let me tell you, if you think the people are upset with Putin's handling of this conflict are going to support Medvedev, that is a clear indication that they are dissatisfied with Putin not going far enough...
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Since they are a democracy, I would expect them to follow the constitution. If Putin loses the confidence of the people, he can be impeached by the Duma. If that happens or he's too sick to continue in office, he would be replaced by the Prime Minister, Mikhail Mishustin. Then there would be free and fair elections within 3 months. Clearly, any discussion of his replacement must relate to this election.

Impeachment in Russia - Wikipedia
In accordance with the current Russian legislation, the removal from office of the President is regulated by article 93 of the Constitution.[1] It provides for indictment (impeachment) by the State Duma and should be accompanied by the opinion of the Supreme Court of Russia and Constitutional Court of Russia on observance of prescribed procedure for charging. After indictment, the decision to remove a president from office is voted on by the Federation Council.

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In all cases where the president of the Russian Federation is unable to fulfill their duties, those duties shall be temporarily delegated to the prime minister of Russia, who becomes acting president of Russia.[6]

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The chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation,[a] also informally known as the prime minister,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Russia#cite_note-4 is the head of the Russian government, the chief executive of the Russian Cabinet, and the second-most powerful figure in the Russian Federation.

In case of the president's death, resignation or impeachment, the prime minister becomes a temporary president until new presidential elections which must take place within three months. The prime minister as acting president may not dissolve the State Duma, announce a referendum or propose amendments to the Constitution.
 
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USF grad in TN said:
Since they are a democracy, I would expect them to follow the constitution. If Putin loses the confidence of the people, he can be impeached by the Duma. If that happens or he's too sick to continue in office, he would be replaced by the Prime Minister, Mikhail Mishustin. Then there would be free and fair elections within 3 months. Clearly, any discussion of his replacement must relate to this election.
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Sounds like you are trying to give me a lecture about the Russian succession plan. Why do I need to know that? You were the one that posted the article. I simply made a response/reply and added in a quote from the article and gave my $.02 about it.
 
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