War in Ukraine

[Velo Vol]

Thats what YOU think they tried to do. Again, explain how they take Mariupol under the conditions they did but not be able to take Kyiv.

The conditions weren't the same. They're hundreds of miles apart.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The conditions weren't the same. They're hundreds of miles apart.

And the defenders were isolated with no resupply. But hey the strongest military in Europe should easily be able to handle resupply on the move and not rely on sitting on their asses and drinking bad vodka to wait them out

 

[volgr]

 

[volgr]

80+ days against your self proclaimed gay Nazis? Sure.

Hey at least they ran away from Kyiv in what 30 days Larry?

It wasnt 80+ days. If we are going to discuss, lets do so honestly.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It wasnt 80+ days. If we are going to discuss, lets do so honestly.

Oh really? What did they just start attacking Mariupol two weeks ago Larry?

Yes it was 80+ days. Mariupol was one of the first engagements on Feb 24 and you can’t drop enough Russian state media to change that Larry.

 

[volgr]

On and Mariupol is what happens when you can’t get resupplied.

One of the best fighting units Ukraine had, entrenched in an urban environment and the invading force had equal or lesser numbers. Resupply or not, that was impressive. To think they could pull that off and not be able to take Kyiv, if they wanted, doesnt really add up.

 

[volgr]

Oh really? What did they just start attacking Mariupol two weeks ago Larry?

Yes it was 80+ days. Mariupol was one of the first engagements on Feb 24 and you can’t drop enough Russian state media to change that Larry.

Mariupol has been over for weeks. Hell they are already turning power/water back on and rebuilding. Lol. Be honest.

 

[NorthDallas40]

One of the best fighting units Ukraine had, entrenched in an urban environment and the invading force had equal or lesser numbers. Resupply or not, that was impressive. To think they could pull that off and not be able to take Kyiv, if they wanted, doesnt really add up.

It adds up completely Larry. Hard to fight a war without ammunition, food, and medical supplies. Which is why Mariupol finally fell after 80+ days and they the bed when they tried to take Kyiv.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Mariupol has been over for weeks. Hell they are already turning power/water back on and rebuilding. Lol. Be honest.

I am being honest. And turning on power shouldn’t take long fire up a couple of portable generators on the four or five buildings still standing?

And it’s deliciously rich as hell to see your ass tell someone else to be honest Larry

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Russia-Ukraine war: Zelenskiy says Donbas is ‘completely destroyed’ – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian

 

[MontyPython]

4:1 is likely low at this point. Trench warfare where one side has decided air superiority. Welcome to reality.

Provide a link comrade.

 

[MontyPython]

4:1 is likely low at this point. Trench warfare where one side has decided air superiority. Welcome to reality.

Air superiority. That's rich.

Not sure why you're half way up Putin's assh*le, but as a Tennessee grad, I say you're a disgrace to this board. Obvious to anyone with 2 eyes and a functional brain.

Buy yourself a ticket to Moscow and do us all a favor, donkey.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Does that mean we shouldn't strive for some kind of normalcy - that we should just roll over and say "that's just the way it is"?

I've been over this time and time again and it just gets called a "whataboutism" by you guys. But it just seems like we are selective about which situations we feel the need to insert ourselves. I could give you examples, but again, that would be whataboutism. I am curious (really I'm not curious, I have a hunch) what makes Ukraine so unique that we would go this hard in the paint.

How about recognizing that some of the boundary shifts were imposed in treaties over the years, and that they were boundaries and conglomerations of religions and ethnicities that never made sense in the first place - like hammering square pegs into square holes and calling it a good job. When is the world "evolved" enough to say this is how it is, or do we just live in an unhappy state of flux?

You mean like the Sykes-Picot boundaries drawn up a century ago that are still causing havoc today and that we (The US) still try to take advantage of? Iraq and Kuwait ring a bell in 1990? Hey, what about the 1948 partition of Palestine?

oops... I fell into that "whataboutism" trap again.

Point is that again, it seems we are very selective about which situations we chose to intervene in.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Give me a f****** break.

Quoting TASS again?

Pure bullsh*t on your part.

I actually don't believe that 4:1 ratio. I think it is likely closer to 3.5:1

 

[NorthDallas40]

I actually don't believe that 4:1 ratio. I think it is likely closer to 3.5:1

As long as your including civilians that the invading bastards killed I’d say it’s higher than 4:1 Moe.

 

[volgr]

 

[volgr]

As long as your including civilians that the invading bastards killed I’d say it’s higher than 4:1 Moe.

Likely Ukraine has killed more civillians than Russia.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Likely Ukraine has killed more civillians than Russia.

Oh sure that’s always the case. The defenders on their own soil kill their own citizens. Stupid as hell Larry.

 

[volgr]

It adds up completely Larry. Hard to fight a war without ammunition, food, and medical supplies. Which is why Mariupol finally fell after 80+ days and they the bed when they tried to take Kyiv.

Thats what I thought. You got nothing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Would Kyiv have dropped her panties as easily as Mariupol?

Raqqa campaign (2016–2017) - Wikipedia
The "Free Syrian Army", The United States, Kurds and a host of other western countries captured Raqqa in a year.

The Russian alliance captured a city slightly larger than Raqqa against an army with western weaponry in 10 weeks.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Thats what I thought. You got nothing.

There you go thinking again it’s been outlined to you what was different and why your homies couldn’t take Kyiv. Here I’ll summarize your reply.

NUH UH!!!

You’re a clown Larry.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So many they are left in the fields to rot as Ukraine can no longer collect and bury their own dead. Many times Russia ends up doing it. Unfortunate but this is what fighting to the last Ukrainian policy looks like.

If the West really gave a damn about the Ukrainians, they would have made 3elensky go back to the negotiating table...

 

[volgr]

Oh sure that’s always the case. The defenders on their own soul kill their own citizens. Stupid as hell Larry.

I mean Russian forces have definitely shown more care for civillians than Ukraine forces have.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I mean Russian forces have definitely shown more care for civillians than Ukraine forces have.

I’d guess the remaining citizens of Bucha disagree Larry.

 

[volgr]

I’d guess the remaining citizens of Bucha disagree Larry.

Considering Ukraine forces carried out the Bucha attack...Id say probably not.