War in Ukraine

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The parallels that "modern" Russia draws with actual Nazism, Fascism, and Stalinism is quite impressive.
  1. Long lasting dictatorship - Putin with 23 years..
  2. Cult of Personality
  3. Only 1 political party with power
  4. Aggressive propaganda campaigns (online, state run media, etc)
  5. Unfettered police power
  6. Genocide - Ukraine, Syria, Chechyna, Georgia, various places in Africa
  7. Support of "breakaway elements" in other countries - Donetsk, Luhansk, South Ossetia, etc
  8. Imperialism (Russian Mir nonesense / Neo-Sovietism)
  9. Revanchism - Currently seen with Putins nostalgia for the Soviet days
  10. Belief in ones own superiority - forced "russification
 
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volgr said:
JD Vance just won in Ohio and will likely flip a Senate seat because of his not supporting this latest military misadventure. The American people don't give a crap about Ukraine or Russia for that matter.
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Speak for yourself, you Russian serf.

Poll numbers show an OVERWHELMING support for Ukraine.

You're on the wrong side of history.

Pew Poll, May, 2022.

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hog88 said:
Russia is in a no win situation.
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I'm willing to listen. Explain. I will say, I think the ultimate goal of the US for the last 10 to 15 years has been to work Russia into a no win situation. This is why you see people like Graham saying Putin can't be given an off ramp. Why you see US and European leaders telling Cokehead not to under any circumstances negotiate any deal with Putin. They think they have Putin where they want him and just need him to continue down the path they think they have created for him. However, it seems Russia realized this a few years back and planned for this.
 
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volgr said:
I wouldn't brag about western media vs Russian media. You are deluded if you don't think we have controlled media and we aren't making better more informed decisions than Russia. Live in reality, not the controlled media death cult fantasy bubble.
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Your death cult schtick is really pathetic. I'm sure your getting this from some group that has convinced themselves and you that they are right because they are going against the grain. That the rest are lemmings.

I'm equally positive the Heaven's Gate group felt the same way until the poison kicked in.
 
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volgr said:
I'm willing to listen. Explain. I will say, I think the ultimate goal of the US for the last 10 to 15 years has been to work Russia into a no win situation. This is why you see people like Graham saying Putin can't be given an off ramp. Why you see US and European leaders telling Cokehead not to under any circumstances negotiate any deal with Putin. They think they have Putin where they want him and just need him to continue down the path they think they have created for him. However, it seems Russia realized this a few years back and planned for this.
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Link to any foreign leader telling the Ukrainians not to give up?
 
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MontyPython said:
Speak for yourself, you Russian serf.

Poll numbers show an OVERWHELMING support for Ukraine.

You're on the wrong side of history.

Pew Poll, May, 2022.
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Polls are easy to fake, as we have seen. JD Vance winning on a platform of not supporting Ukraine, is real. However, if you want to talk polls, check out People's Pundit who has been THE MOST accurate polling for the last 2 Presidential cycles. If people supported Ukraine, Biden's poll numbers would get a bump the last few months. Instead, they have worsened to the point he is basically now unelectable. From bad to worse.

You may want to go back circle jerking about Switchblade drones. Once again, you are out of your depth here.
 
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volgr said:
I'm willing to listen. Explain. I will say, I think the ultimate goal of the US for the last 10 to 15 years has been to work Russia into a no win situation. This is why you see people like Graham saying Putin can't be given an off ramp. Why you see US and European leaders telling Cokehead not to under any circumstances negotiate any deal with Putin. They think they have Putin where they want him and just need him to continue down the path they think they have created for him. However, it seems Russia realized this a few years back and planned for this.
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Where are the videos of these Western leaders telling him not to negotiate?
 
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volgr said:
I'm willing to listen. Explain. I will say, I think the ultimate goal of the US for the last 10 to 15 years has been to work Russia into a no win situation. This is why you see people like Graham saying Putin can't be given an off ramp. Why you see US and European leaders telling Cokehead not to under any circumstances negotiate any deal with Putin. They think they have Putin where they want him and just need him to continue down the path they think they have created for him. However, it seems Russia realized this a few years back and planned for this.
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There plans weren’t worth the paper they were written on. Face it, Russia will continue to bleed lives and treasure and at best will leave Ukraine and still control Crimea, that is the absolute best outcome they can expect at this point. They will no longer be considered a world power by anyone, just a 3rd rate nation with nuclear arms. If they tucked tail now and ran maybe they could salvage some of their economy.
 
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volgr said:
Polls are easy to fake, as we have seen. JD Vance winning on a platform of not supporting Ukraine, is real. However, if you want to talk polls, check out People's Pundit who has been THE MOST accurate polling for the last 2 Presidential cycles. If people supported Ukraine, Biden's poll numbers would get a bump the last few months. Instead, they have worsened to the point he is basically now unelectable. From bad to worse.

You may want to go back circle jerking about Switchblade drones. Once again, you are out of your depth here.
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You are now calling the Pew Foundation polls "fake".

Mkay. I'm getting a better inkling about your true identity.

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hog88 said:
There plans weren’t worth the paper they were written on. Face it, Russia will continue to bleed lives and treasure and at best will leave Ukraine and still control Crimea, that is the absolute best outcome they can expect at this point. They will no longer be considered a world power by anyone, just a 3rd rate nation with nuclear arms. If they tucked tail now and ran maybe they could salvage some of their economy.
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They aren't giving back an inch of land they have taken or will take in the coming weeks. They will control southern and eastern Ukraine. So I don't agree that at best they will leave Ukraine and only control Crimea. Will it be worth the sacrifice? They is up for Russia to decide but they seem firmly behind this war. As for being a world power, they haven't been that for decades and quit frankly I don't think they are worried about that. I think there is a chance they come out of this much stronger economically and militarily.
 
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