War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
Because he broke his campaign promises and rhetoric. We have posted direct quotes from Yanykovich of his western support and wanting to align Ukraine westward, and you guys ignore it.
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He was trying to have a relationship with Russia and the West. Russia had no desire at the time to ever take any territory from them or supporting any independence movements in Ukraine. Why is Ukraine not allowed to have a relationship with Russia. That's up for them to decide. Not us, NATO, or the EU.

Certain members of our political class also had financial interests in Ukraine. You all know this and the fact that some in here are okay with that is a shame. Second, John McCain was sent over there like he was to Libya, Syria, and Georgia. Our military industrial complex needed a conflict to be manufactured and that was another result of Yanukovych being ousted. It's rather sad some of you in here can't connect the dots with what's been going on in Ukraine.
 
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MontyPython said:
With COVID restrictions abating, what's the basis of you suggesting that Canada is something beyond socialist?
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You said the commie playbook didn't apply to NATO members. You were incorrect. I can provide more examples if you like.

You approve of the current Canadian regime under Trudeau?
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Putin has forcibly deported 1.2 MILLION Ukrainians to Russia and put them in 'filtration camps' – including mother of four-year-old girl who 'was snatched off the street and separated from her daughter

Ukrainians are being taken against their will into Russia, the U.S. has said, with some reports suggesting more than 1 million have been taken - including a mother who was separated from her four-year-old daughter.

A senior defence official said Tuesday that the Pentagon has seen indications that Ukrainians caught up in Russia's invasion are being forcibly removed from their homeland and sent across the border by Vladimir Putin's forces.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said that camps were involved in the process.

'But we do have indications that Ukrainians are being taken against their will into Russia,' Kirby said. He called these actions 'unconscionable' and 'not the behavior of a responsible power.'

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People evacuated from Mariupol arrive on buses at a registration and processing area for internally displaced people in Zaporizhzhia, on May 8, 2022

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A child and her family who fled from Mariupol arrive at a reception center for displaced people in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine, Sunday, May 8, 2022

Putin's troops forcibly removed nearly 1.2MILLION Ukrainians and sent them to Russia, officials say | Daily Mail Online
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This is an ancient technique for subduing captured territories. Remove people who feel attached to the land and put other people in their place.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are the one that went back several centuries to justify some woke Poles spraying paint on a Russian ambassador. I responded in kind with an actual historical event that happened before that and now you guys want to scream bloody murder and whataboutism.
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The report I saw said there were Ukrainians involved. I don't know who through the paint, but I heard that both Poles and Ukrainians were protesting and interfering with the event.
 
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MontyPython said:
The Russian artillery in Donbas now getting hit by counterfire from the longer range western artillery.

Granted, Russians have proven themselves completely incompetent, but this is the turning point of the war. The Russian artillery is slowly but systematically going to be wiped out.

Russian artillery position being struck by Ukrainian 59th Mechanized Brigade counter battery fire
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Seems like Ukraine is doing just fine on their own. They don't need help or money from anyone.
 
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MontyPython said:
The Russian artillery in Donbas now getting hit by counterfire from the longer range western artillery.

Granted, Russians have proven themselves completely incompetent, but this is the turning point of the war. The Russian artillery is slowly but systematically going to be wiped out.

Russian artillery position being struck by Ukrainian 59th Mechanized Brigade counter battery fire
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I don't understand why Russian air support is almost nonexistent. If they can't take out Ukraine's longer range artillery their only option is to pack up and go home. You can't support infantry operations without artillery and or air support.

Edit: I know Russia has now launched one of their new hypersonic missiles but I'd be surprised if they have more than a hundred in their inventory. Probably fewer than fifty.
 
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Downed Russian fighter jets are being found with basic GPS 'taped to the dashboards,' UK defense minister says

"'GPS' receivers have been found taped to the dashboards of downed Russian Su-34s so the pilots knew where they were, due to the poor quality of their own systems," he said.
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"The result is that whilst Russia have large amounts of artillery and armor that they like parading, they are unable to leverage them for combined arms maneuver and just resort to mass indiscriminate barrages."
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hog88 said:
I don't think we need to go back further than the 80s to see Polands justification for hating the Russians.
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If I were a Pole, the one that would do it for me was the way Stalin made the secret deal with Hitler in 1939 to destroy Poland and to divide the carcass between them. The Molotov/Ribbentrop treaty (and especially its secret provisions) basically signed the death warrant for not just Poland, but also for the Baltic states. It was a detestable and cynical pact and it gives the Poles every reason to hate both the Russians as well as the Germans. The Germans have spent the last 80 years trying to make amends and to be a good neighbor. The Soviets/Russians spent the last 80 years being first a conquering occupier and now a saber rattling menace activity making war in and trying to destroy Poland’s next door neighbor.
 
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I have made no secret of my sympathies with the Ukrainians in this war; but I am becoming daily more concerned about the way we are sleepwalking towards a World War. We can and should support Ukraine but not to the level we are getting involved. We have no treaty obligations to Ukraine and saving Ukraine has no real bearing on our national interests. The only strategic benefit is in wearing down Russia. But that comes at a cost. The 21st Century will ultimately be a power struggle between the US and China. In a three way game, the US ultimately needs Russia on our side. All we have managed to do is push Russia into the arms of China, the worst thing you can do in a triangular game. Now we do get the benefit of a strengthen NATO and Europe which is a fourth factor in the global game; but long term the US would have benefited greatly from a benevolent Russia, especially since it shares such a long and crucial border with China. An understanding with Russia helps encircle China. A strengthened NATO does not. So if we can somehow get out of this without a world war and with a weakened Russia, we get a short term strategic win but a long term strategic defeat IMO
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I have made no secret of my sympathies with the Ukrainians in this war; but I am becoming daily more concerned about the way we are sleepwalking towards a World War. We can and should support Ukraine but not to the level we are getting involved. We have no treaty obligations to Ukraine and saving Ukraine has no real bearing on our national interests. The only strategic benefit is in wearing down Russia. But that comes at a cost. The 21st Century will ultimately be a power struggle between the US and China. In a three way game, the US ultimately needs Russia on our side. All we have managed to do is push Russia into the arms of China, the worst thing you can do in a triangular game. Now we do get the benefit of a strengthen NATO and Europe which is a fourth factor in the global game; but long term the US would have benefited greatly from a benevolent Russia, especially since it shares such a long and crucial border with China. An understanding with Russia helps encircle China. A strengthened NATO does not. So if we can somehow get out of this without a world war and with a weakened Russia, we get a short term strategic win but a long term strategic defeat IMO
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Basically what I said when all this started in this very thread. Much better to be aligned with Russia than create a Eurasian beast to deal with.

But Ukraine is a playground for American political money laundering and corruption so here we are. Nobody will argue against that point with me, but will still say we need to prop up and defend their (corrupt) institutions because I guess they're "less" corrupt than Russia.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Basically what I said when all this started in this very thread. Much better to be aligned with Russia than create a Eurasian beast to deal with.

But Ukraine is a playground for American political money laundering and corruption so here we are. Nobody will argue against that point with me, but will still say we need to prop up and defend their (corrupt) institutions because I guess they're "less" corrupt than Russia.
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Eisenhower did warn us didn’t he 😟
 
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DonjoVol said:
Did I say that? They have used tactics from the commie playbook. Specifically your guy Trudeau.
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"My guy", eh? Pretty sure he ain't my guy.

The COVID shutdown brought about a bunch of crazy ass loss of liberty crap that most of us despised. This didn't make the US or Canada communist playbook players.
 
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Hey @volgr seems you left. Sad.

Well, if you come back, comrade, you can watch your commie buddies cooking off in their tanks. That Javelin is a b*tch ain't she? Getting fried alive in their tanks is a punishment well-deserved for every one of these commies.

I especially enjoy the part where the one tank - seeing all his buddies getting blasted to bits - starts hauling ass straight ahead right into the wasp nest at 2:40 - 2:53 ... only to be greeted head on with a Javelin that fries the whole tank crew into crispy critters!

Awww, man... it's the simple things in life, ain't it?

 
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