War in Ukraine

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Hunerwadel said:
Who would have believed the Russian army is so unbelievably inept? We should hear from Putin in a few hours. I hope someone is his orbit takes him out soon. This could get dangerous real fast.
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It will only get dangerous if the West decides to insert itself into the war even further with boots on the ground or some other escalation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russian society right now is worse than what we have in many aspects, but we are moving far closer to that right here in America over the last few years. This is the source of my concern and why I pull for the defeat of these globalist efforts in Ukraine, Syria and other places around the globe that our country plays a role in.

Also, I can eat the meat and spit out the bones. There are some good things in Russia along with the bad. Their country, even with their flaws, seems to be moving in the right direction under Putin with regards to morality and cultural issues you brought up.

I don't think Putin and Russia are nearly as bad as the western media portrays him to be. I believe he is no better or worse than any other world leader, the main difference is that he is the leader of a country with nukes. If Putin was the man that we are being lead to believe, the nukes would have been flying in 2014... or right now for that matter.

I understand and I agree. My point is that the people that are in power right now are quickly pulling us to where they are... or further.
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He thinks Putin should win a Nobel peace prize. He’s clearly looney as hell.
 
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MontyPython said:
The importance of the following graphic cannot be understated.

This is an absolute game changer. The Donbas region is wide-open tank and artillery territory. With the incoming heavy artillery provided by us and other western countries, Ukraine can literally pummel Russian front lines without fear of retaliatory strikes from Russian artillery, because they simply can't shoot as far. I believe the only alternatives Russia will have to attack the new Ukrainian artillery will be with long-range missiles, planes or helicopters... all of which would be subjected to heavy AA fire from Stingers, S300s, etc. Plus, I suspect the Ukrainian MO will be to 'shoot and scoot' - thereby hopefully avoiding potential retaliatory strikes.

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No Ivan, that boom you heard is not outgoing?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Would it make you feel better if I come out right now and condemn any of these actions right now? That really isn't any sort of labor for me to do. No matter where corruption occurs, I would condemn it and it should be condemned.
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This made me feel better.

Rasputin_Vol said:
I continually pound on the US when we engage in corruption. There is a good reason for that... because this is where I live. Me harping on our countries corruption or being fixated on it isn't anti-American, however.
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I agree completely, but I can also see bad things in other countries.

Rasputin_Vol said:
All I'm trying to understand is why in this particular situation, you all feel one way, but when there are several incidents elsewhere, you all feel another way. I'm trying to figure out and understand what is so different and special about Ukraine.
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Bill Clinton said that he regretted his failure to act during the genocide in Rwanda.
Admission of past failure does not require future failure. In this case we are acting to assist a country that is being invaded. None of us is saying that we defend everything that the US has ever done.
This is not about Ukraine being special. It's about Putin being a special threat.
Hirohito and Hitler were not a problem for the average American, then suddenly they were a problem. I think Putin is a similar to them.
Putin is trying to crush democracy in former Soviet states and former Russian territories bring them under his dominion. He's trying to be a great Czar that reassembles the Russian Empire. If we can stop him Ukraine we won't have to stop him in NATO countries.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Past failures? You act as though our failures like this are in the distant past... or even recent past. That ignores what is going on in the present/right now.
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And you said that an autocratic fascist leader who routinely abuses the freedom of his people, kills or imprisons his opponents, and invades a sovereign country to kill innocent people is worthy of a Nobel peace prize. So who’s the one really ignoring reality here?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, I am asking a simple question: What is different about Ukraine?
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If Putin invaded any other country under the same auspices I would be against it. If the Ukraine has invaded Russia in attempt to over throw Putin’s elected government, I’d say the same thing. My question to you is what’s different about your stated man love putin
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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Only 41% of the population of Russia is Russian Orthodox... The majority of the country is a mix of non-Christian denominations, with Islam being one of the slightly larger minor religions.

Religion in Russia - Wikipedia

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I fully grasp that. But the problem is that if you claim we are getting it right in this moment in time in Ukraine, then why can't we get it right in this moment in time in other places like Northeast Syria, Yemen, Northern Cypress or Kosovo? All of those are going on right now, yet for some reason, we only single out the Ukraine conflict.
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AM64 said:
Because they are all chocked full of Islamic fundamentalists - in other words radically insane? Have you not figured out that there isn't going to be peace between Islam and any other religion? There's hundreds of years of history to back that.
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I'm confused. I thought we were talking Northeast Syria, Yemen, Northern Cypress or Kosovo. Those places are highly Islamic - like north of 95% highly Islamic. They also seem to be places that don't play well with others which goes back to my even earlier comments about wars (or severe disagreements) often being related to religion and not quest for land - and was corrected that it's not religion as much as ethnicity. Except that ethnicity and religion seem often to be highly correlated (especially with respect to Islamic beliefs), and religion is often the thing that decides the path that ethnicities tread and how heavy handedly.

As far as religion in Russia goes, you'd think that western Russia would be highly Russian Orthodox because of history (as your chart shows), and because of the geographical expanse there would be several other religions in the fold. You also have to believe that during the communist reign religion was highly suppressed, and a lot of younger Russians really have no strong religious belief - other than don't screw with the state. That looks pretty well borne out in the chart above, too. Considering a history of totalitarianism, state suppression of religion (both during communism), and a small Islamic minority, you might expect Muslims in Russia to be somewhat quiet and not disruptive.

Don't know if this puts us on the same page or not, but I get the feeling our comments and views pass on parallel wavelengths and never really seem to have much in common.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Then Ukraine should have been free to have a relationship with Russia when Yanukovych was president. After all he was elected fair and square. Donetsk and Luhansk should have its independence.

These are examples of personal choice and freedom. Are you for freedom and choice? Or only freedom and choice you agree with?
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Bait and switch is pretty bad form in elections. People tend to be less than forgiving when they thought they elected Hyde and it turns out they got Jekyll. A lot of us are wishing the US had a presidential recall process.
 
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AM64 said:
Bait and switch is pretty bad form in elections. People tend to be less than forgiving when they thought they elected Hyde and it turns out they got Jekyll. A lot of us are wishing the US had a presidential recall process.
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That's what impeachment was supposed to be. Unfortunately the American left turned that into a farce and somewhat stigmatized it conveniently before placing a walking vegetable into office.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If Putin invaded any other country under the same auspices I would be against it. If the Ukraine has invaded Russia in attempt to over throw Putin’s elected government, I’d say the same thing. My question to you is what’s different about your stated man love putin
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Well we know if Putin does anything, you all would be opposed to it. So is that the only reason? Simply because it is Putin and not Turkey or the US?
 
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AM64 said:
I'm confused. I thought we were talking Northeast Syria, Yemen, Northern Cypress or Kosovo. Those places are highly Islamic - like north of 95% highly Islamic.
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My comment was in response to this...

AM64 said:
Because they are all chocked full of Islamic fundamentalists - in other words radically insane? Have you not figured out that there isn't going to be peace between Islam and any other religion? There's hundreds of years of history to back that.
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