War in Ukraine

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Burhead said:
Ukraine announced that it and Poland signed a very important military/defense agreement. They said Warsaw is a friend and would not stab Ukraine in the back. Wonder if they’re hinting about Polish forces moving in to secure western Ukraine abs freeing up those Ukrainian troops to move eastward?
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Lviv will be there for Poland to scoop up. The hardliners in Poland would definitely be tempted to stab the Ukrainians in the back.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Donbas isn't part of Russia and the Ukraine was dealing with homegrown terrorism. So yes. Russia should have minded their own f##king business. Now they are getting humiliated and dead.
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No regional power would stand for that kind of disruption and chaos on a bordering country. Not one. Not even the US, especially if people they have close ties with are being attacked.
 
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hog88 said:
If Russia id justified in it's invasion because it's "supporting" rebels of Russian heritage in Ukraine, Mexico would be justified in invading the US to support rebels of Mexican heritage.
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Mexico would be justified if the US was attacking Mexicans. Now the question you have to ask yourself is would the Mexicans be able to counter an American military? Likely not. Its a big difference between being justified to attack and having the ability to attack.

Also, when the shoe was on the other foot and Americans were being harassed and attacked in provincial Texas, what did the US end up doing?

What did the US do about Poncho Villa?

No country, especially a regional power, is going to allow what has been happening in Ukraine to continue for very long on their border.
 
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GVF said:
Yet, it was still Unkriane territory they occupied. Knucklehead. Just because they lived there doesn't mean russia owned it. Just like when they took Crimea from Ukraine. Wasn't theirs.
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They had no problem living there until the 2014 US lead coup, knucklehead. At that moment, that is when they wanted no more.
 
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EasternVol said:
I think this has been answered a few times, but just for practice: If Russian had not created the situation in Donbas there would be no fighting there..
Regarding NATO and Ukraine, there are ways short of war to dissuade Ukraine from joining NATO. Putin misplayed his hand. I suppose we will find out soon enough why he did.
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Russia didn't create the situation in Donbas. The US lead coup in 2014 created the situation.
 
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hog88 said:
If they win it. That's the thing with rebellion, it gets bad if ya don't win.
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Exactly... which is the point I am making about your hypothetical situation about Mexico attacking the US. they would be justified, but would they be able to mount a productive operation without getting slaughtered by a superior military in the US?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Who established that? Just because they didn't go the way the US wanted them to go? We didn't have any protests in Crimea or Donbas about elections or referendums in the last 8 years.
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It was discussed and noted that the voting process, not to mention the vote counting, was controlled by the separatists was widely considered to be rigged.
 
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EasternVol said:
It was discussed and noted that the voting process, not to mention the vote counting, was controlled by the separatists was widely considered to be rigged.
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And again, who made that judgement? The West/NATO will obviously try to discredit the voting because it goes against their agenda.
 
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EasternVol said:
It was discussed and noted that the voting process, not to mention the vote counting, was controlled by the separatists was widely considered to be rigged.
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Well who else was supposed to control the vote counting and voting process? The Ukrainian/Kyiv regime? The US or NATO?
 
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EasternVol said:
I would say the process should follow the constitution of Ukraine, since the vote was held in Ukraine.
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They were voting to break away from Ukraine. So you're basically saying that the Kyiv regime should have controlled the voting process... the same regime that was put in place due to a US sanctioned coup.

You can't even say that with a straight face.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Lviv will be there for Poland to scoop up. The hardliners in Poland would definitely be tempted to stab the Ukrainians in the back.
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I would bet most Polish people would be against sending any troops into Ukraine. They haven't forgot what Ukrainians did to them in the past. Then of course they were under the thumb of the Soviet Union for almost 50 years after World War 2. It's the Polish government trying to get involved in this conflict. Not the Polish people. Then you have the EU wanting to force them and Hungary to take in more migrants.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I would bet most Polish people would be against sending any troops into Ukraine. They haven't forgot what Ukrainians did to them in the past. Then of course they were under the thumb of the Soviet Union for almost 50 years after World War 2. It's the Polish government trying to get involved in this conflict. Not the Polish people. Then you have the EU wanting to force them and Hungary to take in more migrants.
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The political class in the West wants war.
 
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EasternVol said:
Didn't we establish that the referendums were shams?
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We did.

His argument falls apart if he acknowledge s that, so he just ignores it. Instead he floats whataboutisms to make himself feel better about his arguments getting kicked in the teeth.

It's truly a site to behold, watching him and his comrades getting so thoroughly destroyed day after day.
 
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