War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
Having a fifty plus ton war machine in the way would require addressing if you want to actually farm the land... especially if you consider the risk of it blowing up, or someone coming to retrieve it after planting the land, and losing an even bigger patch of land. You seriously expect them to ignore military vehicles?
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No, you don't understand. The ordinary Ukrainian citizen isn't being adversely impacted by this. They should go about their daily routine. The only people suffering from this are the nazi occupiers.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah. The ones fighting Russia instead of welcoming them with open arms.

As usual, no substinece to your argument. I wonder if you will default to ignoring the argument or claim you have already addressed it without providing a link or reference to actually call back too.
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That’s his usual take on anything he doesn’t have an answer for. Like the Budapest Agreement!
 
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landscapingvol said:
Russia is on the upswing lol keep at it Gilbert Grape. I didn't think it was possible for you to get dumber but you have accomplished it by some miracle
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This is one of your many problems. I say the US is an empire in decline and the Euro's are run by fools (just as we are)...and your response is, "bUt RusSiA iS oN tHe UpSwiNG".
 
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volgr said:
I can't speak for others, but Russia meddling in Ukraine isn't our problem and never has been our problem. It doesn't really matter if they meddled long before we did, meddled more or less than we did, etc. It's their neighbor, who at times off and on over the last few centuries has shared a Country with Russia. So, family neighbor at that.

Again I ask, why does/did the US care? What concern is it of ours who controls Ukraine? What's in it for the average American citizen for our Gov't to insert itself into a family matter on the other side of the World? This is the very essence of what the Founders warned about. We're entangling ourselves for no good reason. Nothing good has come from our inserting ourselves into Ukraine. It didn't benefit the average American citizen and it didn't benefit the average Ukrainian citizen. All it did is enrich those at the top through corruption...and now it will enrich the military industrial complex through a completely unnecessary war.
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If russia gets involved in something that doesnt involve them why is it a big deal if we get involved in the same mess?

Right now I dont see us involved much at all. Nothing requires us to trade with everyone all the time, so no FF issue with the sanctions. Our entangling alliance isnt involved in the conflict and has taken specific actions to remain out of it, so no FF issue there.

You entire FF argument is about what MIGHT happen and not what has. We arent allied with Ukraine, and if Ukraine folds we havent lost anything that matters.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah. The ones fighting Russia instead of welcoming them with open arms.

As usual, no substinece to your argument. I wonder if you will default to ignoring the argument or claim you have already addressed it without providing a link or reference to actually call back too.
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The point of my reply was to point out the lack of substance in YOUR argument. "The people" of Ukraine doesn't mean much as Ukraine is a very fractured Country. "The people" in western Ukraine are much different than "the people" of eastern and southern Ukraine. Also, the US seems to be somewhat inconsistent when they decide to respect the concerns/vote of "the people" of Ukraine.
 
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volgr said:
The point of my reply was to point out the lack of substance in YOUR argument. "The people" of Ukraine doesn't mean much as Ukraine is a very fractured Country. "The people" in western Ukraine are much different than "the people" of eastern and southern Ukraine. Also, the US seems to be somewhat inconsistent when they decide to respect the concerns/vote of "the people" of Ukraine.
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Yeah those southern and eastern Ukrainians are still fighting the Russians, so my point still stands. The people.
 
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LouderVol said:
If russia gets involved in something that doesnt involve them why is it a big deal if we get involved in the same mess?

Right now I dont see us involved much at all. Nothing requires us to trade with everyone all the time, so no FF issue with the sanctions. Our entangling alliance isnt involved in the conflict and has taken specific actions to remain out of it, so no FF issue there.

You entire FF argument is about what MIGHT happen and not what has. We arent allied with Ukraine, and if Ukraine folds we havent lost anything that matters.
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It does involve them, it doesn't however involve us. Try again.

You don't see us much involved? I don't think you are being honest or maybe you are ignorant of the subject. Either way it invalidates the rest of your opinion.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah those southern and eastern Ukrainians are still fighting the Russians, so my point still stands. The people.
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It doesn't stand because again you either will likely be dishonest about the reason those troops are there or are ignorant of the fact. To say there isn't a huge difference in opinion between "the people" of eastern Ukraine and western Ukraine shows your reasoning to be completely flawed.
 
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volgr said:
This is one of your many problems. I say the US is an empire in decline and the Euro's are run by fools (just as we are)...and your response is, "bUt RusSiA iS oN tHe UpSwiNG".
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It's funny how you keep talking about everything wrong with the West, never Russia, but it's not an indication of you being pro Russia. If you continually steal things does that make you a thief or just in the wrong place at the wrong time an awful lot? That's one of your many problems in this discussion, it's a continual blame fest of the West with rarely if ever a criticism of Russia and when you are called out about it your go to deflection is "well I was just pointing out the West's problems not a defense of Russia". You would make a great middle school student, always someone else's fault or reason for a problem.
 
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volgr said:
It doesn't stand because again you either will likely be dishonest about the reason those troops are there or are ignorant of the fact. To say there isn't a huge difference in opinion between "the people" of eastern Ukraine and western Ukraine shows your reasoning to be completely flawed.
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Ukraine is a massive country of course their are going to be regional differences, just like there are huge differences between the people of Eastern and Western Russia. That is irrelevant to the discussion and hand nor is it an excuse for Russia's invasion.
 
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volgr said:
Says the guy who continually sees things in my posts that aren't there. The irony.
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Lol sure thing, if I compiled a list of all the things you have mentioned that are wrong with the West or shifted blame for Russia's invasion it would exponentially longer than any list of criticisms of Russia. You tell me what that means? It's clear to nearly everyone in this thread except you and the other couple of stooges.
 
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landscapingvol said:
It's funny how you keep talking about everything wrong with the West, never Russia, but it's not an indication of you being pro Russia.
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Dum dum, I don't live in Russia. Their concerns are not mine but my corrupt and declining Country has decided to insert themselves into that part of the World. There is nothing good to talk about in respect to the US's involvement in Ukraine because nothing good has or will come from it, other than enriching OUR oligarchs.
 
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